Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

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FollowerofShiloh said:
Nowhere in the Bible does it say God "FORCES" them to believe.

The one who repents repents on his own doing, not from being forced to do it.

Show me a verse that says God forces you to be saved?
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[Eph 2:1 KJV] 1 And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins;
[Col 2:13 KJV] 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
 
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rogerg said:
[Eph 2:1 KJV] 1 And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins;
[Col 2:13 KJV] 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
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He's also talking to those who have been saved. He's not talking to those who rejected God. Big difference.
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
He's also talking to those who have been saved. He's not talking to those who rejected God. Big difference.
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He talking to all those who were spiritually dead - all who were unsaved but became saved by God. If someone is spiritually
dead, then they cannot, not, reject God. They must first be given spiritual life (saved) to not reject Him.
 
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He is talking to those who at one time rejected God, but are now saved. Everyone is a un-foregiven sinner at some point in their lives.
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But they ARE SAVED when he sent the letter to them. So he is talking to current saved people, not ones who just rejected God.
 
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rogerg said:
He talking to all those who were spiritually dead - all who were unsaved but became saved by God. If someone is spiritually
dead, then they cannot, not, reject God. They must first be given spiritual life (saved) to not reject Him.
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But they ARE SAVED when he sent the letter to them. So he is talking to current saved people, not ones who just rejected God.
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
But they ARE SAVED when he sent the letter to them. So he is talking to current saved people, not ones who just rejected God.
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So? Don't follow your point? God is saying they were dead and HE gave them life. He gave them no choice but unconditionally
made them alive
 
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rogerg said:
So? Don't follow your point? God is saying they were dead and HE gave them life. He gave them no choice but unconditionally
made them alive
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No he is not, He is just explaining the regeneration process is all. How they became saved.
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
No he is not, He is just explaining the regeneration process is all. How they became saved.
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They were DEAD, weren't they? He made them ALIVE, didn't He? Paul is telling them that it was God who did it (saved them), and did so
without any contribution whatsoever from those whom He saves. It's simple.
 
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rogerg said:
They were DEAD, weren't they? He made them ALIVE, didn't He? Paul is telling them that it was God who did it (saved them), and did so
without any contribution whatsoever from those whom He saves. It's simple.
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During regeneration you are dead and become life. Paul is building churches and teaching the leaders of the church how the process goes from death to life.
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
During regeneration you are dead and become life. Paul is building churches and teaching the leaders of the church how the process goes from death to life.
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Paul is explaining that God took them from death and gave them life based upon His own prerogative and choice, period. Read them again. They are self-explanatory. You wanted verses that demonstrate that, and I gave them to you.
There isn't really much more I can say about it if you don't understand that.


[Eph 2:1 KJV] 1 And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins;
[Col 2:13 KJV] 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
 
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rogerg said:
Paul is explaining that God took them from death and gave them life based upon His own prerogative and choice, period. Read them again. They are self-explanatory. You wanted verses that demonstrate that, and I gave them to you.
There isn't really much more I can say about it if you don't understand that.


[Eph 2:1 KJV] 1 And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins;
[Col 2:13 KJV] 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
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Nowhere does it say God did this for His own perogative.
Your problem is you don't read the verses and chapters before this to see these are LETTERS explaining the Process of how God does things.
 
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Before you get to Ephesians chapter 2, you begin at chapter 1

1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God,

To the saints who are in Ephesus, and are faithful in Christ Jesus:

2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
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It's a LETTER of explanation.
 
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Before you get to Colossians chapter 2, you begin at chapter 1

1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and Timothy our brother,

2 To the saints and faithful brothers in Christ at Colossae:

Grace to you and peace from God our Father.
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It's a LETTER of explanation.
 
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Roger,
Do you Preach, Teach, Evangelize in a real church setting before People of God?

Or just a keyboard banger?

What is your actual Calling to do the Father's Will for Him?

I already know but want you to admit it to everyone reading.
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
Before you get to Ephesians chapter 2, you begin at chapter 1

1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God,

To the saints who are in Ephesus, and are faithful[a] in Christ Jesus:

2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
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It's a LETTER of explanation.
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It is a letter of explanation, so?
It is a letter that tells them how they became saved - that they were spiritually dead in sin, unable of themselves to remedy that condition, and for them and for those whom God chose based upon His prerogative and good pleasure, He makes alive. Those made alive are solely recipients of spiritual life - they do/did nothing whatsoever for it - it comes/came completely to them as a gift
 
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rogerg said:
It is a letter of explanation, so?
It is a letter that tells them how they became saved - that they were spiritually dead in sin, unable of themselves to remedy that condition, and for them and for those whom God chose based upon His prerogative and good pleasure, He makes alive. Those made alive are solely recipients of spiritual life - they do/did nothing whatsoever for it - it comes/came completely to them as a gift
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Yes!

It's explaining how they went from dead to alive in Christ.
 
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rogerg said:
I made nothing up, I posted verses, which verses, are quite clear as to their intent.
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If you had training in Bible School you would not offer the answer you did. So it is your own understanding, not that it is the correct interpretation.

The Letters of Paul are one of the most exhaustive program/class to go through.
 
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