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Then you're just confused, are not thinking deeply, and have no clue what we mean or what you're talking about. Weird.

I do not understand how this concept alludes them. They want to be able to have something to boast about so bad that they can't give God all the Glory He is due. They think "they" get to own there decision/choice when His word they claim to hold to so strictly tells us very clearly that ALL the...

EVERYONE believes in limited atonement that doesn't believe everyone is saved no matter what. Regardless of your camp, or what you label yourself as, if you don't believe that everyone is saved, then you HAVE TO believe there's some kind of limit to His atonement. I don't really care about any...

Well if it's not, then I guess you're arguing with me for no reason, so either way no need to "teach" me anymore. Have a great day.

Okay I get it, you think God needs your help in salvation, that you have to "do" something to be saved. You believe you have something to boast about. You reduce Gods glory to lift up your own. I get it. I disagree and KNOW it's ALL God that saved me and I did 0%. We disagree. Have a great day.

Okay I get it, you think God needs your help in salvation, that you have to "do" something to be saved. You believe you have something to boast about. You reduce Gods glory to lift up your own. I get it. I disagree and KNOW it's ALL God that saved me and I did 0%. We disagree. Have a great day.

Does God not GRANT us repentance? Look I want to be very clear, I don't disagree with our choice, nor what we go through as these things take place in real time. What I am disagreeing with is exactly how much credit we get, and how big a role does our choice play. I think raising that too high...

Okay, I understand what you're saying, but to pretend God wasn't drawing them to His self the whole time is just silly. What do you say to the person who did think he was doing all this you're describing, is told exactly what you're teaching here, and to be honest teaching what the vast majority...

We need to clarify exactly what we mean when we say "Do you see how when we’re saying “ I’m saved by grace it doesn’t matter what I do “ What do you think I mean by this? First you'll have to show me where I said “ I’m saved by grace it doesn’t matter what I do “. I'd NEVER say that and do not...

So are you saying the price is acceptance? This makes salvation dependent on us correct? I'm not saying we don't have a choice, or we don't have to accept t all. I'm really just trying to dig a little deeper here. Is this what our salvation is dependent on, or is this just a small piece in the...

Shouldn't that be, "What doseth thou say-ith now" :LOL: please know this is a joke 100%. Just in case it can be taken any other way.

The biggest problem I run into in this particular conversation seems to be the automatic assumption that when we say you can't lose your salvation is the people take that to mean we are saying, "I'm saved no matter what and can now sin as much as I want with no worries". This completely ignores...

So you're saying it means that some that Jesus took up in His hands were snatched out of them by false teachers? Is that really what you think it means?

So before he sinned he had earned death? That doesn't make much sense to me, even though I do understand and see logic in what you're saying too. However I disagree with you if you think Adam would have died if he would have stayed obedient as Jesus was. I don't agree with that at all. All this...

So what's your point? It's all physical? I don't exactly understand what you're correcting me on here with all these words. I'm not even saying I disagree with you or your point, I honestly got lost and missed it I think, but what about our spiritual disconnection and death during the fall do...

Yep, and because they did die spiritually the day they ate. That is why and how we are "born in sin", because we are born spiritually dead. Jesus is the only way out of this reality.

It's also not a matter of physical sin necessarily. The day they ate they did die, they died spiritually. Adam was created spiritually connected to God, the day they ate that connection was severed and our side died. That's why none of us born of Adam can be born with that part of us. This is...

I disagree in a way, from a different perspective, but understand what you mean, but this highlights a major point of contention between believers. I disagree that "we accept" in order to be saved. This means we "do" something to be saved as humans. This also can lead to me thinking that because...

IU disagree, our will is a slave to sin or a slave to righteousness. At least that's what Jesus said. I'm going with him. I think this is a stupid thing for Christians to fight over though, because you just call choice free will. I believe in choice too, we are told to choose and not be...

Well I know everyone has their own way of looking at it, but I believe we are told that free will isn't even a thing. This is just what we've come to call "choice". I 100% believe that we all have choice, but those choices are a slave to our natures, which are in sin or in the Spirit. I also...