Works Complete Faith?

Go ahead and quote what I said, but just move on when you're done.

Your side is expert in distraction, emotion, obfuscation, uninterested I truth. Either make your on-topic rebuttal, your on-topic concession, or just move on.

You quote it. Quote both of them. Own up to it since you still defend it.

Jesus knows the heart. The Apostle John clearly says he didn't know until they left. An illustration of this was Demus when he left the Apostle Paul.

Oops, "fruit" refers to moral or immoral actions, not supernatural works.

Not doing your work for you.

Anyway!

Oops...your not paying attention.

Didn't think you would. But it is yours to own.

Wow, you debunked Jesus! Great "Christian"ing! That's how it's done! Lol

You haven't been able to prove a single point the entire time--you're not starting now lol

Oops...the poster I was responding to was speaking of actions...works.

Right, good works... Which, if you're paying attention, have nothing to do with supernatural works, since God permits false miracles to test His people (Dt 13). You CAN tell a tree by it's fruit ... Refers to moral or immoral works, not supernatural works which are not necessarily good or bad in themselves.

Oops...I'm not trying to prove anything. People either receive truth or they do not have ears to hear.

Oops...I never said they did.

Not getting into a spitting match: you're wrong when you accidentally try to debunk Jesus because you don't understand Jesus.

OK so we are not in disagreement, we agree a tree is known by it's fruit, and we can move on. Lol

Oops...you can't see into my heart or know what I think.

OK so we are not in disagreement, we agree a tree is known by it's fruit, and we can move on. Lol

Oops. .whatever comes after is condescending. It's not generally Spirit led. This is how you treat people in a discussion. And you are discussing with God's people to whom you should be particularly loving towards.
Christians disagree. Sometimes fervently. It should never be cause to injure.

All right, the thread has been derailed for quite some time now.

Looking forward to anyone who can put their emotions aside and actually address the topic. Anyone who actually wants to discuss the topic, not distract with meaninglessness, is welcome to do so!

This "works flow naturally from faith" idea is only necessary for someone who believes in "faith alone" ... but then you read the Bible, and you find that the square peg doesn't fit in the round hole.

You have to do mental gymnastics, and maybe throw in a little mental tarot card reading, to continue holding to your stance in the face of James 2 ("Abraham was justified by works"), or Ro 14:5,23 (Christians who "sin" aren't "justified" but "condemned"), or 1 Co 9:27-1 Co 10 (salvation and the promise can be forfeited through sin).

The Corinthians, also, were living sinfully, but no one doubts they had "true" faith.

James 4 calls his audience "adulteresses" against "God"--on your view, this should not be possible!

James isn't talking about "true" and "false" faith--when comparing faith to a body, he never mentions a "mannequin", only an incomplete body (without its spirit--dead) and a complete one (with its spirit--living), corresponding to an incomplete faith (without works--dead) and a complete faith (with works--living).
Demons believing doesn't refer to a "false" faith--Jesus never promised to save demons by faith, so there is no amount of faith that could save a demon, the point is they also have "faith alone", and they do not have WORKS.
The man who "says he has faith": James is just comparing the persuasive power of his statement against the persuasive power of a life of good works, and asking which one actually glorifies God, so as to move the audience to works, because glorifying God is the point of Christianity.