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Our obedience to God is not about needing to be good enough, but about practicing our faith. In other words our obedience to God is about God giving the gift of salvation to us, not about us earning our salvation as a wage from God for having had good enough obedience.

God has a perfect standard. That was evidenced in Christ. He doesn't accept less of us. But since we cannot fulfill the righteousness required, He sent His Son to atone for our sins, and provide us with His perfect righteousness. Further, He made it possible for us to live righteously by giving us His Spirit to walk in.
Nothing we do apart from the indwelling Spirit meets God's righteousness. It is only as we are engaged in His Spirit that we walk pleasing to God. No amount of earthly, natural endeavor will please and be accepted of God. We are only accepted IN HIM.

If I understand you, you are saying the writer of Hebrews was not inspired by God to write what he did, but wrote in opposition to God.
I am beginning to doubt you even understand how one is saved.

i don't disagree... i don't put bondage into the new contract. If i keep the law by faith in Gods power and delight to do His will, How is that bondage? If i put the aspect that leads to failure into new i would be stupid.
The new contract is that Jesus will write the law on our heart because we can not obey the law in our own strength.
The old contract failed on this point -- "We will obey". from the begining Gods people have always failed when they tried to do things in their own strength. We need to trust in God by faith to give us imput and impart His righteousness.

The moral law has not changed and is still perfect and holy and righteousness. I do not say we need to keep it in our strength, i encourage people to look to Jesus and by faith receive strength from God to obey it.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

It isn't about the law ..... It is about the motive or reason behind keeping it and the how you keep it. In faith or in your own power.

Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

Notice the two sons of Abraham which are an allegory of the two covenants.
One son was after the flesh and one was by promise.

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Agar had a son which was the result of human power (doing things in your own strength) when they lacked faith in the promise they did things in their own power, and the son of Agar has been an issue ever since. But Sarah was free and did believe the promise (eventually) even thou it was impossible and had a son by faith.
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

If we keep the law by faith in the promise, we too will be free and will inherit the kingdom above. By faith we are saved. not by keeping the law. But the law is holy and just and good. If we love God we will keep the law.

to say there were no rules is presumption.
We don't read any rules in the bible record but there must have been order and rules to follow because sin is the transgression of the law.

If there was no laws then it would have been a lawless place. It was wrong to murder and wrong to lie God made it clear that they shouldn't eat from the tree. even if it was not written in stone it was still wrong for Adam to have any other gods before The Lord. Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

No law = no sin.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

No,I believe that the author of Hebrews is inspired, but then again, I don't interpret Hebrews as speaking against obeying God, whereas anyone who interprets Hebrews as speaking against obeying God should be quicker to think that the author of Hebrews is not inspired than to think that it is a good idea to speak against obeying God.

Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and it is by the Mosaic Law that we have knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20), so while we are not required to have first obeyed it in order to earn our salvation as the result, living in obedience to it through faith in Jesus is nevertheless intrinsically part of the concept of him saving us from not living in obedience to it. In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to by teaching him to obey the Mosaic Law, and he chose the way of faithfulness by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith. It is contradictory for someone to think that they need salvation from sin while also thinking that they aren't required to obey the Mosaic Law.

God's law came with instructions for what to do when His people sinned, so it never required us to have perfect obedience. Repentance doesn't change the fact that we have not had perfect obedience, so the fact that repentance has value demonstrates that we do not need to have perfect obedience. In other words, the fact that we can still be saved even when we have not had perfect obedience means that we don't need perfect obedience. The consistent call of the prophets was for repentance, not for perfect obedience. In Deuteronomy 30:11-20, it says that the Mosaic Law is not too difficult to obey and that obedience brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! So it was presented as a possibility and as a choice, not as the need for perfect obedience. There is nothing that we can earn as a wage if we manage to have perfect obedience and nothing that we fail to earn if we do not have perfect obedience. While everyone has not had perfect obedience, there are nevertheless many examples of people who kept God's law, such as those in Joshua 22:1-3, Luke 1:5-6, Revelation 14:12, and Revelation 22:14. Thinking that we need to have perfect obedience has always been a fundamental misunderstanding of the law.

The point I'm making is we can't keep the law. So instead of trying to keep the law, we seek His presence. In His presence, He will keep the law in and through us. Thus our effort is not in trying to keep the law, but in delighting ourselves in Him.

My point is, in focusing on keeping the law we will sin. In focusing on Christ, we won't.

In Deuteronomy 30:11-14, it says that God's law is not too difficult for us to keep, so believing that we can keep it is a matter of putting our faith in God's word. Likewise, in 1 John 5:3, to love God is to obey His commandments, which are not burdensome. God's law is His instructions for how to seek His presence and for how to delight ourselves in Him.

It is contradictory to focus on God's word made flesh instead of focusing on embodying God's word.

And yet, you have never kept a single commandment in your own strength, by your own earlier admission. You only made excuse that God doesn't require perfection of the law for it to be acceptable...which is simply false. The demands of the law are exactly the same for us as the were for the incarnate Jesus. Otherwise, how could He be our representative before God?

Dont speak to me. Dont address me with your scripture twisting.

You are very confused.
We are not saved from sin we are saved from the penalty of sin which is eternity in Hell.
The Mosaic Law was for Israel. It's purpose was to teach Israel that they could not justify themselves before God by their own works. It was to teach them of their need to look to the promised Messiah.
The New covenant, promised by God in Jeremiah 31, was confirmed (establish, put into affect) by Jesus blood on the cross.
Hebrews clearly teaches that the new covenant replaced the old covenant (Mosaic Law).
It is obvious that you have not studied Hebrews, or simply do not have the ability to understand what is taught.
You can not keep the law. No man can keep the Law. No man has ever kept the Law. You are only deceiving yourself to believe you or anyone one can.
It is over, done, replaced with the new covenant. The covenant of grace, mercy, love, and forgiveness.
Please stop with this foolish teaching that keeping the Law is required by those who are saved by faith in Jesus and His fulfilling the Law.

But there were no commandments about "keeping" the sabbath. All God did was to sanctify the day. The commandments and rules about keeping the sabbath didn't come til much later.... "the sabbath was made for man..."

If God sanctified it, do you think we were ment to keep it holy?
If it was made holy do you think God wanted us to keep it holy?

I don't think God made it holy so we could treat it the same as every other day.

still at it, huh?

still trying to push the worship of Sabbath over the worship of Jesus.

for others reading this, t m s and i go way back.

not in a real friendly way.

In Matthew 1:21, it says that our salvation is from sin, so while that includes being saved from the penalty of sin, our salvation would be incomplete if we were only saved from the penalty of our sin while we continued to live in sin. This is why Titus 2:11-14 describes our salvation as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, and says that Jesus gave himself both to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works.

While it is true that we can't earn our justification by our works, there would be no point in God commanding works for he purpose of showing us that we can't justify ourselves by obeying them, which is why the Bible never states that God gave the Mosaic Law for that purpose. Moreover, it is contradictory to think that relying on God's instructions is our own works. The Mosaic Law is God's instructions for how to look to the promised Messiah.

In Jeremiah 31:33 and Hebrews 8:10, the New Covenant involves God putting the Mosaic Law in our mind and writing it on our hearts, so while we are under the New Covenant that has replaced the. Mosaic Covenant, that does not mean that it does not involve obeying the Mosaic Law.

I understand Hebrews, I just don't think that it should be interpreted as teaching us to rebel against God, and even if that were the correct interpretation I don't think that we should follow the author of Hebrews instead of God.

In Deuteronomy 30:11-14, God's word says that God's law is not too difficult to keep, so you can insist otherwise, but I will continue to have faith in God's word. There are also many example in the Bible of people who did keep the Mosaic Law. The Mosaic Covenant is also a covenant of grace, mercy, love, and forgiveness.

In Proverbs 4:2, it defines sound doctrine as not forsaking the Mosaic Law.

The Mosaic Law was never given as instruction for how to do things in our own strength, but rather relying on God's instructions is relying on God. I have kept many of the Mosaic laws. I demonstrated with Scripture that God does not require perfect obedience, so that is not making excuses. We might need to be sinless if we are going to sacrifice ourselves to pay for the sins of the world, but we do not need to do that.

God's instruction is to walk in the Spirit. This is the crux of the new covenant...Christ in me, the hope of glory. I live, yet not I, but Christ lives in me. It's not about the law. It's about Christ...every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord to the glory of God. Stop making it about you and how you keep the law. It is Christ...Christ...and then, Christ.

God's word is about God's word made flesh, not about me. Jesus is the living embodiment of all of the aspects of God's nature that His word was give to teach us how to practice, which are also known as fruits of the Spirit. Jesus living in us is also of the aspects of God's nature being practiced by living in obedience to God's word in accordance with Christ's example.