Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

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Rufus

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You're such a fibber of truth.

They were prophesied to be blinded and deaf so a GENTILE like YOU could be given the Gospel.
The curse of the Law that came thousands of years after Creation is not the three-fold curse God decreed upon all creation after the Fall. This latter curse is still with mankind today and won't be abolished until Christ returns.

Rev 22:3
3 No longer will there be any curse . The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him.
NIV

Also, see Rom 8:18-25 whereby the whole creation waits in eager expectation for the resurrection of the saints so that it will finally be freed from its bondage to decay and from the frustration to which God subjected it.

Israel's punishment by God has no bearing on the topic since all mankind -- Jews and Gentiles alike -- comes into this world in a state of spiritual DEATH.

Eph 2:1-5
2:1 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our sinful nature and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature objects of wrath. 4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even WHEN we were dead in transgressions — it is by grace you have been saved.
NIV

Jews and Gentiles alike, BY NATURE, are objects of God's WRATH! Both came into this world DEAD in their sins. Both lived their lives gratifying the uncontrollable cravings of our sinful nature, blindly following its desires and thoughts. And then the text goes on to say that WHEN elect Jews and Gentiles were in their utterly HELPLESS state (after all, who can raise themselves from the dead!?), God raised them from the dead. Not after they believed. Not after they repented. But when they were still dead, "God made us alive with Christ". Then and only then were the elect empowered to believe the Gospel. Only AFTER they were liberated from the bondage of the sinful nature and recreated New!

Also, we must remember that while in that utterly helpless state, Paul reminds us in Romans that those who are controlled by the"flesh" (sinful nature) CANNOT please God (Rom 8:8).

So, you need to explain to us how any DEAD person had any spiritual ability to please God by coming to faith and repentance prior to being raised from the dead! Prior to being born again! You need to explain how any of God's elect were able on their own to free themselves from their controlling sin nature in order to to please God by their faith and repentance.

Jer 13:23
23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin
or the leopard its spots?

NEITHER CAN you do good
who are accustomed to doing evil.

NIV

And since none of us have the power to change our skin, nor does the leopard have any power to change its spots, the the only inescapable conclusion is that none us CAN do good; therefore, Paul was right when he said that that those who are controlled by their sinful nature cannot please God. Can God be pleased by anything less than good?
 

Rufus

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I believe every word Jesus says unlike what you're doing.
Except when you don't!

John 5:22
21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it.
NIV

Jesus is exerting his sovereignty in this passage! Your heresy should have him saying instead that the Son gives life to whoever asks for it. He gives life to whoever desires it. The Son gives life to whoever wants it. The Son gives life to whoever prays for it, etc. But he didn't say any of these things, did he? Jesus was big on Election.
 
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The curse of the Law that came thousands of years after Creation is not the three-fold curse God decreed upon all creation after the Fall. This latter curse is still with mankind today and won't be abolished until Christ returns.

Rev 22:3
3 No longer will there be any curse . The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him.
NIV

Also, see Rom 8:18-25 whereby the whole creation waits in eager expectation for the resurrection of the saints so that it will finally be freed from its bondage to decay and from the frustration to which God subjected it.

Israel's punishment by God has no bearing on the topic since all mankind -- Jews and Gentiles alike -- comes into this world in a state of spiritual DEATH.

Eph 2:1-5
2:1 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our sinful nature and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature objects of wrath. 4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even WHEN we were dead in transgressions — it is by grace you have been saved.
NIV

Jews and Gentiles alike, BY NATURE, are objects of God's WRATH! Both came into this world DEAD in their sins. Both lived their lives gratifying the uncontrollable cravings of our sinful nature, blindly following its desires and thoughts. And then the text goes on to say that WHEN elect Jews and Gentiles were in their utterly HELPLESS state (after all, who can raise themselves from the dead!?), God raised them from the dead. Not after they believed. Not after they repented. But when they were still dead, "God made us alive with Christ". Then and only then were the elect empowered to believe the Gospel. Only AFTER they were liberated from the bondage of the sinful nature and recreated New!

Also, we must remember that while in that utterly helpless state, Paul reminds us in Romans that those who are controlled by the"flesh" (sinful nature) CANNOT please God (Rom 8:8).

So, you need to explain to us how any DEAD person had any spiritual ability to please God by coming to faith and repentance prior to being raised from the dead! Prior to being born again! You need to explain how any of God's elect were able on their own to free themselves from their controlling sin nature in order to to please God by their faith and repentance.

Jer 13:23
23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin
or the leopard its spots?

NEITHER CAN you do good
who are accustomed to doing evil.

NIV

And since none of us have the power to change our skin, nor does the leopard have any power to change its spots, the the only inescapable conclusion is that none us CAN do good; therefore, Paul was right when he said that that those who are controlled by their sinful nature cannot please God. Can God be pleased by anything less than good?
It's not the curse of the Law that made them blind and death.

Where do you get this baloney or make it up at from?
 
Jan 24, 2024
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Except when you don't!

John 5:22
21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it.
NIV

Jesus is exerting his sovereignty in this passage! Your heresy should have him saying instead that the Son gives life to whoever asks for it. He gives life to whoever desires it. The Son gives life to whoever wants it. The Son gives life to whoever prays for it, etc. But he didn't say any of these things, did he? Jesus was big on Election.
How do you know He isn't pleased to give life to everyone? It's just a blanket statement he is pleased to give life.