Predestination is misunderstood...

Genez · 2024-05-09T18:05:19-0400

After citing Scripture that landed on deaf rears?

Rest up, please.

studier · 2024-05-09T18:06:23-0400

So, Biblical wisdom is when one begins using Scripture out of context to say things one wants it to say. Actually that's called eisegesis, not wisdom. Wisdom is based in accurately understanding Scripture and using it skillfully. It's developed in Christ in Spirit over time.

studier · 2024-05-09T18:17:21-0400

Genez said:

Anyone can cite Scripture. Not too many can exegete it. Many use it out of context. You've cited 3 parts of Scripture and missed context all 3 times. You dropped Galatians awful quickly and lost your "winner" believer concept. Would you like to go through 1Cor11 verse-by-verse and make your case how, where, and why it says Christians can treat one another disrespectfully and with hostility over their different views of eschatology?

Genez · 2024-05-09T18:22:08-0400

studier said:

I know all about what you are saying.....
Its the great excuse maker of first year seminary students.

You need to learn that some things must wait.

To everything there is a season,
A time for every purpose under heaven:

A time to be born,
And a time to die;
A time to plant,
And a time to pluck what is planted;
A time to kill,
And a time to heal;
A time to break down,
And a time to build up;
A time to weep,
And a time to laugh;
A time to mourn,
And a time to dance;
A time to cast away stones,
And a time to gather stones;
A time to embrace,
And a time to refrain from embracing;
A time to gain,
And a time to lose;
A time to keep,
And a time to throw away;
A time to tear,
And a time to sew;
A time to keep silence,
And a time to speak;
A time to love,
And a time to hate;
A time of war,
And a time of peace.

............

Genez · 2024-05-09T18:25:42-0400

studier said:

Here you go.
My pastor for the last 43 years...
A professor of ancient languages recommended him to me.

https://www.rbthieme.org/index.html#tabs-3

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studier · 2024-05-09T18:44:00-0400

Genez said:

This is what you told me I needed to wait for? If you only knew....

Go through and find his exegesis on 1Cor11 and see if he agrees with you that it can be used to justify treating Christian siblings with disrespect and hostility if they disagree with your - actually his - eschatology.

Genez · 2024-05-09T18:55:30-0400

studier said:

I feel no hostility towards you. At one time I might have....

studier · 2024-05-09T19:02:38-0400

Genez said:

Nor I you. But this was never the issue in our discussion.

Genez · 2024-05-09T19:33:04-0400

studier said:

Considering he probably spent about four hours teaching on it, and having to locate the CD with the message amongst many discs I have stored?

I think it best to just accept it as it now stands.

Though he does teach that there is the danger for the mature Christian, that it can be easy to feel hostile towards the young believer who assumes he is already mature...

maxamir · 2024-05-09T19:36:14-0400

Genez said:

why do you never bother engaging with the Scripture verses given to you? What sin is in your life that has made you heart so hard to the truth which God gives to correct His people?

God is not a polygamist and only has ONE wife which is made up of people from all nations, tribes and tongues called His elect church in the NEW Covenant which fulfilled the shadows and types of the Old of which the nation of Israel was pointing to.

maxamir · 2024-05-09T19:43:30-0400

Genez said:

Denominational hostilities must exist and are a part of God's plan.

1 Corinthians 11:18-19

In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you,
and to some extent I believe it. No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of
you have God’s approval.

To agree to drop all hostilities is Satan getting those who are approved of God to compromise the truth for the sake of getting along with men. and no longer with Christ.

Its knowing that such pressures will be there is what makes the winner keep going when others want to settle things now and to call it quits...

Galatians 5:7-8

You were running a good race. Who cut in on you to keep you from obeying the truth?
That kind of persuasion does not come from the one who calls you.

The winners must at times run alone and not concern himself with what compromises others choose to accept as a means to get along....

The foundational essential doctrines is where we all can agree, but we must keep growing up beyond the foundational done so in Christ, with advancement in understanding doctrine that separates us from our childhood, while being as a child in the Lord.

grace and peace .............

After many years of research I have found that Amillennialism is biblical eschatology.

studier · 2024-05-09T20:05:07-0400

Genez said:

Just so you know, and with no disrespect intended towards you or to him, I'm not concerned with a link to a teaching about 1Cor11. My suggestion was for you to consider the context and how you're using the verses. Then my suggestion was for you to review whether or not your teacher says or suggests that those verses could be used to justify disrespect and hostility towards another Christian over interpretations of eschatology.

Paul does cover some of the issues related to the varied levels of spiritual growth of Christians, both in 1Cor and elsewhere. Yes, it can be a challenge for congregations, pastors, individual believers. It was an issue back then. It's still an issue. And one of the problems in this is temporal age or time under teaching does not assure spiritual maturity or the ability to deal with Scripture accurately. So there's no misunderstanding, I'm not insinuating anything about you or your 43 years of listening to rbthieme.

So, as you essentially say (I think), we can leave it here.

Thanks.

Genez · 2024-05-09T20:23:43-0400

maxamir said:

The KJV may say so... But OT believers were believers. Never called "saints."

maxamir said:

I wonder if there is a schoolyard where you might be able to try your bully tactics on?

Not with me you don't.

The teaching you push was designed for those who like to bully young immature believers.

Now, be a strong big brave boy... and accept that no one here will take you seriously, unless they are still babes in Christ, and not know any better to not waste their time.

Titus 3:10-11

Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time.
After that, have nothing to do with them. You may be sure that
such people are warped and sinful; they are self-condemned.

.. is that angel wings I hear?

Genez · 2024-05-09T20:27:25-0400

maxamir said:

Many years research?

That eye hiding cowardly behind a hole in the wall looks only around 18 years old.

And, the thinking that eye presents? Seems to be hovering around the same..

You're young. There is plenty of time for you to learn what is really needed.

Wishing you well....

studier · 2024-05-09T20:27:38-0400

maxamir said:

And you are quite welcome to your view and can probably explain it.

I've been watching, not closely, but sufficiently for me at this time, some interesting work currently going on within the Preterist camps.

Genez · 2024-05-09T20:28:28-0400

studier said:

Tag team....

sawdust · 2024-05-09T21:59:42-0400

studier said:

I quoted you saying you think @Genez is saying ... so who do you think I mean?

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