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I am only responding having been entertained by many of your posts in time past
are you denying that Pentecost happened? I am the one who brought up 'gifts'
why is it that you and certain others here seem to live to argue about the Holy Spirit?
it does not matter what conclusion you come to. most of your questions are only aimed at arguing with people and demanding
they post scripture to back up what they say. Then you argue over the scriptures.
put down that cup of coffee or whatever you have been endlessly drinking and find something else to do
are you denying that Pentecost happened? I am the one who brought up 'gifts'
why is it that you and certain others here seem to live to argue about the Holy Spirit?
it does not matter what conclusion you come to. most of your questions are only aimed at arguing with people and demanding
they post scripture to back up what they say. Then you argue over the scriptures.
put down that cup of coffee or whatever you have been endlessly drinking and find something else to do
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I think what he probably meant was that people who haven't received the "baptism" should pray that prayer so they can receive it and be empowered. That's just my opinion and I could be totally wrong.
I have never received the so-called baptism of the Holy Spirit taught by full gospel doctrine and am not lacking any power whatsoever to be His witness. That's my experience.
I have never received the so-called baptism of the Holy Spirit taught by full gospel doctrine and am not lacking any power whatsoever to be His witness. That's my experience.
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You are just trolling. I am glad you're entertained. You have a bad habit of creating false narratives, as most of your posts do.
I never said or Denied Pentacost Happened, if you can read. Yes, you did bring up the gifts as you are unable to stick with the thread's subject matter. No one is arguing about the Holy Spirit. What a buffoonery you display.
No, the thread provides the context and understanding of why it is important to be empowered by the Holy Spirit as the Lord Jesus said it was in Acts 1:8. In fact you are the one who just dropped in and has nothing edifying or Biblical to offer or any scripture. You just want to make this personal because you can't discuss the topic without your Bias. And that's ok.
You say I need to put down the coffee LOL. Dude, take your meds, guy, and get over yourself.
No, you were not wondering about my prayer, LOL. You have the conclusion you created with your false narrative, and that's okay.
"I nowhere read in the bible that I must be baptised with the Holy Spirit again and again."
And nowhere will you find me saying such a thing. YOU created that false narrative, and if you can show me where I said that, that would be something.
But what I did say was for you to read John chapter 1. Where John the Baptist stated and bore record of one who is Mightier than he who will Baptize with the Holy Spirit and Fire. I know you can't quote scripture, so you need to read Acts 1:8
Jesus is Speaking, and HE is the Final Authority on the topic, not you or I. If you have any scripture to provide that is Edifying or to refute my Understanding, Please do so. I welcome it with open arms. But if not, all will see that, and I leave to your Trollingship. I am more interested in Fellowship. God bless.
"I nowhere read in the bible that I must be baptised with the Holy Spirit again and again."
And nowhere will you find me saying such a thing. YOU created that false narrative, and if you can show me where I said that, that would be something.
But what I did say was for you to read John chapter 1. Where John the Baptist stated and bore record of one who is Mightier than he who will Baptize with the Holy Spirit and Fire. I know you can't quote scripture, so you need to read Acts 1:8
Jesus is Speaking, and HE is the Final Authority on the topic, not you or I. If you have any scripture to provide that is Edifying or to refute my Understanding, Please do so. I welcome it with open arms. But if not, all will see that, and I leave to your Trollingship. I am more interested in Fellowship. God bless.
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Josephus wrote people witnessed the risen Jesus and Paul said 500 people saw Him.
Josephus:
He was the Christ. And when, upon the accusation of the principal men among us, Pilate had condemned him to a cross, those who had first come to love him did not cease. He appeared to them spending a third day restored to life, for the prophets of God had foretold these things and a thousand other marvels about him.
Can you just imagine the religious leaders? They thought they shut Jesus up. But now they were contending with 500 people who saw Him Risen and being extensions of Jesus as Witnesses.
I read something interesting about the Followers of the Risen Jesus in those days. Rome, they had established rule in many parts of that known area, not just the Jews. But they only did to Jerusalem and the Temple to specifically the Jews who were both following the LAW and those following Jesus but not to the other nations they ruled. It's been established that Rome had no isse with Jews believing in Yehova or Yeshua because they believed in many gods. But the Jews were the only nation to say to Rome your gods are fake and there's only One True God. Then when they preached the God Rome had killed had Risen that really set emotions off between Christian and Jew and Rome.
Then when the Temple was destroyed that fell right into the message Christian were already preaching, humans, are the Temple where God lives in.
But the Upper Room is where I most would have wanted to be a part of. That is as incredible as having been able to watch Jesus perform miracles, hear His voice preaching and teaching, seeing Him Resurrected. Jesus said they would do greater things and the Upper Room kicked it off.
Josephus:
He was the Christ. And when, upon the accusation of the principal men among us, Pilate had condemned him to a cross, those who had first come to love him did not cease. He appeared to them spending a third day restored to life, for the prophets of God had foretold these things and a thousand other marvels about him.
Can you just imagine the religious leaders? They thought they shut Jesus up. But now they were contending with 500 people who saw Him Risen and being extensions of Jesus as Witnesses.
I read something interesting about the Followers of the Risen Jesus in those days. Rome, they had established rule in many parts of that known area, not just the Jews. But they only did to Jerusalem and the Temple to specifically the Jews who were both following the LAW and those following Jesus but not to the other nations they ruled. It's been established that Rome had no isse with Jews believing in Yehova or Yeshua because they believed in many gods. But the Jews were the only nation to say to Rome your gods are fake and there's only One True God. Then when they preached the God Rome had killed had Risen that really set emotions off between Christian and Jew and Rome.
Then when the Temple was destroyed that fell right into the message Christian were already preaching, humans, are the Temple where God lives in.
But the Upper Room is where I most would have wanted to be a part of. That is as incredible as having been able to watch Jesus perform miracles, hear His voice preaching and teaching, seeing Him Resurrected. Jesus said they would do greater things and the Upper Room kicked it off.
just so
I don't know what some people here would do if they could not bash anything to do with the Holy Spirit
I would advise them to stop. we have many threads here with both wolf and alien going out of their way to do their due dilligence as faithful servants clogging up the works whenever the Holy Spirit is spoken of in just about any capacity.
well then you must not be a witness so not sure why you think you always have to put in your .00005 cents
I don't know what some people here would do if they could not bash anything to do with the Holy Spirit
I would advise them to stop. we have many threads here with both wolf and alien going out of their way to do their due dilligence as faithful servants clogging up the works whenever the Holy Spirit is spoken of in just about any capacity.
well then you must not be a witness so not sure why you think you always have to put in your .00005 cents
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Brother, I am wondering about someone who has already has received the baptism with the Holy Spirit, if he prays to recive the baptism with the Holy Spirit again.
I find in deed no scripture which says that someone who already received the baptism with the Holy Spirit should pray for it again.
Also not John 1 or Acts 1,8
I find in deed no scripture which says that someone who already received the baptism with the Holy Spirit should pray for it again.
Also not John 1 or Acts 1,8
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Sounds like a plan. Anyone says something we disagree with just tell them sit sit down and shut up. I have nothing against you personally, but your comment about my "clogging up the works whenever the Holy Spirit is spoken of in just about any capacity" is laughable. I'm not indoctrinated into the full-gospel ideas about the Holy Spirit, and make no pretense otherwise. If you disagree that's fine; I'll never tell you to sit down and shut up.
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I have answered this to you in depth in many other threads you have trolled. I have provided scripture to explain and show the Biblical working of the Holy Spirit, who comes into the believer and comes Upon the believer. Jesus said this in John chapter 14:17
I have provided John Chapter 1
John chapter 14
Luke 24
Acts 1:8
To show you the work of the Spirit of God, known as the Holy Spirit, who came upon the prophets, kings, Judges, and priests in the Old Testament. As Joel 2 says, the Same Spirit is now for all. again
The scriptures show us in John chapter 20:22
And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
The Apostles Received the Holy Spirit, and Jesus told them to wait for its power. Were they not?
That means the Holy Spirit needs to do something else. We are saved in them, for Bare witness.
Romans 8:16
"The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,"
Then the Holy Spirit came upon them and empowered them after they had the Holy Spirit in them. You can't Box God
and try to intellectualize the supernatural work f the Holy Spirit
God is everywhere, is he not? Yet HE can be near.
God sees all and hears all, Yet HE doesn't hear the unrighteous prayers.
Again, If you received the Empowering of the Holy Spirit, God bless you, go be a powerful witness of our Lord, and then come and testify of what God did through you.
that is not at all what has gone on in this forum and I have exchanged a good number of posts with you and never told you to shut sit down and shut up
it's much more like you posting videos and mocking and telling others to sit down and shut up....in fact, I thought you had me on ignore because of all the scripture I posted to you illustrating the fact that the gifts are ligit ... neither God nor I nor anyone else is responsible to bear the burden of answering why there are fakes or those who cannot tell the difference between the Holy Spirit and another Spirit...that would be between those people and God
anyone cand do a search for your comments and for the threads you have started, anti-tongues in particular
I am far from indoctrinated, having been brought up in a very conservative church so I know both sides and I have been to many different churches and seen and heard alot of things...some very good and some very bad
oh you have told me to sit down and shut up with your non-responses and obvious dislike for things I have said in the past, And how did you do that? by ignoring all scripture posted (not just by me) and attempts to reason them out. you just won't hear of it
nice to 'hear' from you now tho
it's much more like you posting videos and mocking and telling others to sit down and shut up....in fact, I thought you had me on ignore because of all the scripture I posted to you illustrating the fact that the gifts are ligit ... neither God nor I nor anyone else is responsible to bear the burden of answering why there are fakes or those who cannot tell the difference between the Holy Spirit and another Spirit...that would be between those people and God
anyone cand do a search for your comments and for the threads you have started, anti-tongues in particular
I am far from indoctrinated, having been brought up in a very conservative church so I know both sides and I have been to many different churches and seen and heard alot of things...some very good and some very bad
oh you have told me to sit down and shut up with your non-responses and obvious dislike for things I have said in the past, And how did you do that? by ignoring all scripture posted (not just by me) and attempts to reason them out. you just won't hear of it
nice to 'hear' from you now tho
and your slur against my name.... Nikita Khrushchev (Char.) is just evidence of the kind of attitude that you have. you cannot contain it
I will tell you what tho....ignorance is not at all 'bliss'...which you might recall one day in the future
I will tell you what tho....ignorance is not at all 'bliss'...which you might recall one day in the future
ResidentAlien + Niki7:
Just observing the quick back n forth here between the 2 of you I am reminded how you both serve the same God but have different views of doctrine. And that also reminds me of upbringing. It's fascinating that the message and doctrine associated to the message that brings people to salvation is the message people normally adhere to. But as we read the Bible there's generally only one true meaning to how a verse or structure of verses should actually mean. And that means that some have it correct and some do not.
For the most part, much of the Bible we can get wrong and it has no determination upon our salvation status. And we also have solid core scripture that no matter your/their/my doctrine may be that we all need to be seeing the meaning the same way.
Sometimes I look at doctrine and I wonder did they say, we must believe in Jesus, He's the only way to the Father, but on everything else let's be different? Because outside of Jesus and being the only way to the Father, on everything else non salvation issue, everyone is as different from night and day.
I see the argument between Reformation and Arminism just as I explained. The biggest difference is God made me be saved versus God offered me salvation.
Just observing the quick back n forth here between the 2 of you I am reminded how you both serve the same God but have different views of doctrine. And that also reminds me of upbringing. It's fascinating that the message and doctrine associated to the message that brings people to salvation is the message people normally adhere to. But as we read the Bible there's generally only one true meaning to how a verse or structure of verses should actually mean. And that means that some have it correct and some do not.
For the most part, much of the Bible we can get wrong and it has no determination upon our salvation status. And we also have solid core scripture that no matter your/their/my doctrine may be that we all need to be seeing the meaning the same way.
Sometimes I look at doctrine and I wonder did they say, we must believe in Jesus, He's the only way to the Father, but on everything else let's be different? Because outside of Jesus and being the only way to the Father, on everything else non salvation issue, everyone is as different from night and day.
I see the argument between Reformation and Arminism just as I explained. The biggest difference is God made me be saved versus God offered me salvation.
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