A Visible Sign of the Invisible
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Paul's question, Have you received the Holy Ghost SINCE you believed? indicates there is discernable evidence when a person has the experience. The account itself indicates that the 12 men would have no difficulty answering that exact question if asked in the future.
Acts 19:6-7
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
And all the men were about twelve.
Keep in mind that the fruit of the Spirit is never associated with the initial experience of receiving of the Holy Ghost. However, speaking in tongues is.
Acts 19:6-7
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
And all the men were about twelve.
Keep in mind that the fruit of the Spirit is never associated with the initial experience of receiving of the Holy Ghost. However, speaking in tongues is.
There is nothing hidden or mysterious in the scripture I provided in answer to your question. It's pretty cut and dry, if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
The Bible reveals tongues is the sign that a person has received the Holy Spirit. And it states: "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you." Rom 8:9-11[/QUOTE]
I don't see anything about tongues here.
The Bible reveals tongues is the sign that a person has received the Holy Spirit. And it states: "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you." Rom 8:9-11[/QUOTE]
I don't see anything about tongues here.
The scriptures are fine. Your understanding is off. You are conflating the baptism with the Holy Spirit and the baptism of the Spirit. The former is an outward sign much as you are referring to and the latter is an inward activity as is mentioned in 1 Corinthians 12:13 where one is placed into the body of Christ.
Jesus spoke the words recorded in the scripture I provided from Mark 16:15-20. Verse 20 actually says, "And they went forth, and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen." What was being confirmed? The words Jesus had spoken; believers will speak with new tongues.
And the truth Jesus spoke was confirmed as seen in the experience of 100% of the people in Acts 2, 10, and 19. In addition, tongues having been established as the sign that accompanied the infilling, was what made the people in Acts 8 know they had not received the Holy Ghost.
Scripture is clear; however, I guess some just don't see it.
No need to continue going in circles. Thanks for the discussion.
And the truth Jesus spoke was confirmed as seen in the experience of 100% of the people in Acts 2, 10, and 19. In addition, tongues having been established as the sign that accompanied the infilling, was what made the people in Acts 8 know they had not received the Holy Ghost.
Scripture is clear; however, I guess some just don't see it.
No need to continue going in circles. Thanks for the discussion.
Notice what it does say at the end of Acts 2. It was the Apostles who were performing the wonders and signs.
Don't you think if the point was that everyone would speak in tongues then this would have been recorded every time?
In the end, you are doing as you did with baptism...making salvation contingent upon some activity of man. It's a false conclusion.
Don't you think if the point was that everyone would speak in tongues then this would have been recorded every time?
In the end, you are doing as you did with baptism...making salvation contingent upon some activity of man. It's a false conclusion.