Christ has spoken and are we listening
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You can love them, you don't have to love what they do...or have fellowship with them....
Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; [SUP]2 [/SUP]And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
[SUP]9 [/SUP](For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; [SUP]2 [/SUP]And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
[SUP]9 [/SUP](For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
I know that we should love everyone and tell them the truth about what the bible says especially when they are that close to being reprobated,but what if they have gotten to the point to where any goodness that you mention to them about GODs truth trying to help them doesn't matter to them anymore and they have become reprobate.What should we do then?
K
Simple we are to love everybody, including those we consider our enemies.
We don't have to like the lifestyle they live, and yes we are called to point the wrong way they are walking just like any other sin that others may walk in. We are to point it out to them.
But we are to do it in a loving and respectful manner, not through hatred.
If they chose to hear what we have to say talk to them some more, if not then we are told by Jesus to dust your feet off and move on.
We don't have to like the lifestyle they live, and yes we are called to point the wrong way they are walking just like any other sin that others may walk in. We are to point it out to them.
But we are to do it in a loving and respectful manner, not through hatred.
If they chose to hear what we have to say talk to them some more, if not then we are told by Jesus to dust your feet off and move on.
[SUP]God did not give us a judging ministry but a reconciling ministry...
17 [/SUP]Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
[SUP]19 [/SUP]To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
17 [/SUP]Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
[SUP]19 [/SUP]To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Several points made by several............Yes.......we are to love our enemies, and yes, we are to love those who are not believers in and followers of Jesus Christ. However, that does not mean we have to accept their lifestyle choice(s), as someone else said.
And, there is a time when God will "give them over to themselves.........." And, yet, we should still love them and pray for them.
This is a hard lesson for believers to learn, and even harder to practice. It ain't easy, if it was, everyone would be doing it.
And, there is a time when God will "give them over to themselves.........." And, yet, we should still love them and pray for them.
This is a hard lesson for believers to learn, and even harder to practice. It ain't easy, if it was, everyone would be doing it.
Several points made by several............Yes.......we are to love our enemies, and yes, we are to love those who are not believers in and followers of Jesus Christ. However, that does not mean we have to accept their lifestyle choice(s), as someone else said.
And, there is a time when God will "give them over to themselves.........." And, yet, we should still love them and pray for them.
This is a hard lesson for believers to learn, and even harder to practice. It ain't easy, if it was, everyone would be doing it.
And, there is a time when God will "give them over to themselves.........." And, yet, we should still love them and pray for them.
This is a hard lesson for believers to learn, and even harder to practice. It ain't easy, if it was, everyone would be doing it.
Luke6:27-36
[h=3]Love for Enemies[/h][SUP]27 [/SUP]“But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, [SUP]28 [/SUP]bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. [SUP]29 [/SUP]If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. [SUP]31 [/SUP]Do to others as you would have them do to you.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]“If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them. [SUP]33 [/SUP]And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do that. [SUP]34 [/SUP]And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, expecting to be repaid in full. [SUP]35 [/SUP]But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. [SUP]36 [/SUP]Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.
Luke 6:37-42New International Version (NIV)[h=3]Judging Others[/h][SUP]37 [/SUP]“Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. [SUP]38 [/SUP]Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”
[SUP]39 [/SUP]He also told them this parable: “Can the blind lead the blind? Will they not both fall into a pit? [SUP]40 [/SUP]The student is not above the teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like their teacher.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? [SUP]42 [/SUP]How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]He also told them this parable: “Can the blind lead the blind? Will they not both fall into a pit? [SUP]40 [/SUP]The student is not above the teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like their teacher.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? [SUP]42 [/SUP]How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
Luke 6:43-45New International Version (NIV)[h=3]A Tree and Its Fruit[/h][SUP]43 [/SUP]“No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit. [SUP]44 [/SUP]Each tree is recognized by its own fruit. People do not pick figs from thornbushes, or grapes from briers. [SUP]45 [/SUP]A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.
Luke 6:46-49New International Version (NIV)[h=3]The Wise and Foolish Builders[/h][SUP]46 [/SUP]“Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? [SUP]47 [/SUP]As for everyone who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice, I will show you what they are like. [SUP]48 [/SUP]They are like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built. [SUP]49 [/SUP]But the one who hears my words and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete.”
What about any sin, Did Christ go to his death for all or just a select few. were we can do what've we want but being gay? And is this between God and that person.
I am not gay, was condemning to Gays until God showed me my own depravity and undeserving grace God gave me. So I us love all as God does, and see Luke 6:2, which shuts any self righteousness down I sometimes start to think I have, being in unredeemed flesh
I am not gay, was condemning to Gays until God showed me my own depravity and undeserving grace God gave me. So I us love all as God does, and see Luke 6:2, which shuts any self righteousness down I sometimes start to think I have, being in unredeemed flesh
Well some things to say here....
1. I didn't condemn anyone as all I did was quotes GOD'S view of men with men and women with women....and his view is that they have reached a point where God has no choice, but to give them over to a mind VOID OF SPIRITUAL DISCERNMENT and all that is left to do is pour out his judgment upon them in the form of wrath.
2. NO where in my post do you see me condemning anyone and or anything self righteous.....
You need to slow down and read instead of jumping on the band wagon assuming I am condemning and or being self-righteous brother!
QUOTE=homwardbound;1659502]What about any sin, Did Christ go to his death for all or just a select few. were we can do what've we want but being gay? And is this between God and that person.
I am not gay, was condemning to Gays until God showed me my own depravity and undeserving grace God gave me. So I us love all as God does, and see Luke 6:2, which shuts any self righteousness down I sometimes start to think I have, being in unredeemed flesh[/QUOTE]
1. I didn't condemn anyone as all I did was quotes GOD'S view of men with men and women with women....and his view is that they have reached a point where God has no choice, but to give them over to a mind VOID OF SPIRITUAL DISCERNMENT and all that is left to do is pour out his judgment upon them in the form of wrath.
2. NO where in my post do you see me condemning anyone and or anything self righteous.....
You need to slow down and read instead of jumping on the band wagon assuming I am condemning and or being self-righteous brother!
QUOTE=homwardbound;1659502]What about any sin, Did Christ go to his death for all or just a select few. were we can do what've we want but being gay? And is this between God and that person.
I am not gay, was condemning to Gays until God showed me my own depravity and undeserving grace God gave me. So I us love all as God does, and see Luke 6:2, which shuts any self righteousness down I sometimes start to think I have, being in unredeemed flesh[/QUOTE]