Can the nonelect ever be born-again? (2 Kings 22:27) With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Precisely, that's exactly what I'm doing. I don't judge my fellow Elect Saints of God,

Well, pardon us all to pieces! No spiritual pride there at all.

I only judge the Pharisees of today. Which are mostly professing Christians

Judge not, lest you be judged. No one died and made you God.

 

[Niki7]

Anything that someone has to "do" of themselves would then make it a work. That salvation is a free gift is only because God does it all for them, completely, and to the fullest degree, with nothing required by them to obtain it, to include having to take it - otherwise, neither would it be free nor a gift. A spiritually dead person cannot take a spiritual gift unto themselves, just as a physically dead person cannot take a physical gift unto themselves.
The only faith that truly brings someone to Christ is Christ's faith which He reckons unto those chosen, from/by which, they believe. It is not self-produced.

Please read these verses closely.

[Eph 2:1 KJV] 1 And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins;
[Col 2:13 KJV] 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

please read the Bible closely. It does not say what you say

 

[Niki7]

I find it interesting that the narrative that receiving a gift is considered" work" is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard to try and manipulate a doctrinal opinion. There is nothing in the word of God that says, teaches, or suggests that receiving the Gift of SALVATION BY GRACE IS A WORK THAT YOU DO. That is assumed and interjected into the context of the election. They are wrong on that point. But will not provide proof of that point.

Receiving a gift has to be a work because they say so(Calvinist). But they can't prove that through the word of God.

You did not buy the gift, you did not ask for the gift, yet when the gift is presented to you, you receive it with great joy, which means to them you worked for it. Why? Because they said so. LOL

no worries

I don't receive Calvinism because that would be a work of stretching my imagination

 

[Niki7]

Well, pardon us all to pieces! No spiritual pride there at all.




Judge not, lest you be judged. No one died and made you God.

some of these people seem to believe they are subbing for God. He is on vacation and they are the substitute

 

[Niki7]

So if I accept a gift from you, in your eyes it's no longer free. But you paid for it. So how is it not free when you give it to me. You're using the same circular reasoning as abortionists. It the womb, not a baby, in the birth canal, not a baby, delivered magically it's a baby! The gift is free, the gift is paid for, the gift is given freely to me now its not a gift and it's not free. Yet it is. You're chasing your tail and all you're doing is getting dizzy. You're not making a lick of sense. Pssst, when you have to work this hard to make the puzzle piece fit, it's the wrong piece.

Better yet....an embryo is a baby...been in the news lately

but even a full term baby is a fetus unless you let it live

it's a wonder any of them actually reproduce

 

[rogerg]

please read the Bible closely. It does not say what you say

I did and it does. Did you not see the word "dead" in the verses I posted?

 

[Niki7]

There's no point in appealing to this guys private oppinion for any guidence. He admits that he's not qualified t comment on the subject and this is only his private useless opinion.
John Calvin is a giant among Theologians, the whole world is talking about him 500 years after he died.

That dude you looked to for instruction, is a nobody. He isn't even an ordained minister so he's nothing more than a self appointed expert of nothing. He will be forgotten as soon as he dies and nobody will even know that he ever existed.

Wow, you went to the bottom of the dumpster to find a representative.

John Calvin was a murderous (insert word not allowed on CC) and retained much of his Catholic heritage

Actually though, even Calvin would be surprised at some of the things that are supposed to be from him in origin

Calvin is actually in the dumpster when it comes to what the Bible states

 

[7thMoon]

I am a universalist who believes there is Hell, and that limited atonement exists by a non-Calvinistic standard.

@Charlie_2024
And why isn't Hell a place in the kingdom of God. It makes no sense to a mankind, and then destroy him.

 

[7thMoon]

You're dead wrong, Calvinism is supported by Gods Word. It's actually your Armenian doctrine of Demons that's leading people to hell

Decadence and rudeness leads people to hell.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Decadence and rudeness leads people to hell.

Actually

Unbelief leads people to hell.. A loving God came and paid for the rest.

 

[7thMoon]

Actually

Unbelief leads people to hell.. A loving God came and paid for the rest.

I don't believe this. The word is trust. Experience that makes you believe would gnostic.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I don't believe this. The word is trust. Experience that makes you believe would gnostic.

i reject Gnostic reasoning

if you do not believe you are condemned

If you receive Gods grace in faith you are not condemned. (he who believes is not condemned John 3)

 

[7thMoon]

i reject Gnostic reasoning

Yet you think pistis means belief and not trust. You equate unbelief with decadence. ridiculous!

if you do not believe you are condemned

Your statement is about Jesus when he was alive. It is out of context.

If you receive Gods grace in faith you are not condemned. (he who believes is not condemned John 3)

Verse number or quote?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Yet you think pistis means belief and not trust. You equate unbelief with decadence. ridiculous!

where do you get this nonsense from. I never made any such statement.

Can you learn to comprehend what people are saying, or continue to spew nonsense?

Your statement is about Jesus when he was alive. It is out of context.

Jesus said himself. he was not sent to judge but to save,

He who believes is nto condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already.

period

Verse number or quote?

Here I thought you might know the word. was I mistaken?

John 3:
. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.


18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

[7thMoon]

@Charlie_2024
And why isn't Hell a place in the kingdom of God? It makes no sense to [make] a mankind, and then destroy him.

 

[7thMoon]

Here I thought you might know the word. was I mistaken?

You realize that the everlasting life meant some would not fall asleep and become a corpse.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

You realize that the everlasting life meant some would not fall asleep and become a corpse.

no it does not mean that if it did. we would have many people who have not died since christ came

 

[7thMoon]

no it does not mean that if it did. we would have many people who have not died since christ came

They would be translated like Enoch. God is always watching the population of mankinds. We are the thing caused by him after all.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

They would be translated like Enoch. God is always watching the population of mankinds. We are the thing caused by him after all.

John 3 is about spiritual rebirth.

If your not born again, Your not saved and headed to hell

 

[7thMoon]

John 3 is about spiritual rebirth.

If your not born again, Your not saved and headed to hell

If you are not started up or born up, which implies rebirth, but Nicodemus' interpretation was wrong. And that meant seeing the kingdom of God before the afterlife.