Are only those who are born-again saved?

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Are only those who are born-again saved?


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Until one comes to the end of the energy of themselves, one will not see the new given them by God for them through Son to them.

Galatians 6:7-9

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7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. 9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

If under Law, continue to find out the new given you to not be under the Law, then upholding it, once one discovers it is true one cannot do it of themselves even with asking for help. If the first born self is in there, then The "I" is still in the way and is what keeps that person in sin that they hate to do over and over again. As God continues in the forgiveness of Son given them for them in Mercy to them over it, for we each to see the faithfulness of God, not us at all, to see God just loves us all (1 John 2:1-4). That is when one gives up on trying to do what no flesh can do, even though wants to, can't and then the new showers them as one changes from being forgiven and remaining forgiven by God as said in


2 Corinthians 5:17-20

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17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 to wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God.
a man can not re-sow what man has already reaped.

Only The heavenly man could

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What Jean Calvin really taught
 

homwardbound

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Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness to me;

But Nicodemus believed for he said:“Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that you do, unless God is with him.

3 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again] he cannot see the kingdom of God.
The greek word for again is_anathen), can be understood to say born from above. A double meaning.

To enter the Kingdom is to enter his 1000 year reign.

This foolish talk of being born again only came forth 100 years ago. Church never mentioned being born again for 1900 years,
Believe God in Son as risen and receive from God the new life of in God's spirit and truth to you, you, me and all others too, there really is no semantics in this truth,
Believe, receive and see, as long as one does not stop belief even in adversities one will see as Job saw in the book of Job, who would not deny God ever. I see to not deny God at all as man continues to mess it up all over the place in words to distract and cause doubt in them. Believe God, stand in that personally between God and you to see truth and be set free. I am speaking to me
 

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#43
a man can not re-sow what man has already reaped.

Only The heavenly man could

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What John Calvin really taught
No, you right, whatever one has done as one has done it is done, even since forgiven by God. Like Esau is said God hated Esau> No, not Esau God did not hate Esau or anyone else either as man interprets God hates. Sorry God is love and there is no hate in God from God at all. Just misinterpreted as God hates.
God does not hate the creation God created, God hates the sin that harms others from others. And the free will given is Love from God beyond any human understanding. For if one has no free choice to choose, then God cannot claim to love us at all in truth. To be controlled by anyone else, having no choice is being a puppet to the puppet master. I do choose God over it all, who always reveals truth of the evil going on around me through others and even the evil spirits of the air that try to stop free will and take control of others and use them to get to others in them rebelling as under Law reveals the rebelling of the people, since no flesh can please God after Son did that once for us all (Romans 8:1-3)
seeing the end of Romans 7 first
Only Father in Son saves us once in belief to it is then done for us to be renewed in this love and mercy given us all, without asking for it first, he did it for us by Son to us, thank you Father forever, 'I see to stand in belief not the unbelief the first Adam did first that caused all the harm in the flesh nature I now reckon as dead as in Romans 6 tells me to do this in belief, die to me daily
Thanks for the post friend in the risen Son for us to be new in
 
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No, you right, whatever one has done as one has done it is done, even since forgiven by God. Like Esau is said God hated Esau> No, not Esau God did not hate Esau or anyone else either as man interprets God hates. Sorry God is love and there is no hate in God from God at all. Just misinterpreted as God hates.
God does not hate the creation God created, God hates the sin that harms others from others. And the free will given is Love from God beyond any human understanding. For if one has no free choice to choose, then God cannot claim to love us at all in truth. To be controlled by anyone else, having no choice is being a puppet to the puppet master. I do choose God over it all, who always reveals truth of the evil going on around me through others and even the evil spirits of the air that try to stop free will and take control of others and use them to get to others in them rebelling as under Law reveals the rebelling of the people, since no flesh can please God after Son did that once for us all (Romans 8:1-3)
seeing the end of Romans 7 first
Only Father in Son saves us once in belief to it is then done for us to be renewed in this love and mercy given us all, without asking for it first, he did it for us by Son to us, thank you Father forever, 'I see to stand in belief not the unbelief the first Adam did first that caused all the harm in the flesh nature I now reckon as dead as in Romans 6 tells me to do this in belief, die to me daily
Thanks for the post friend in the risen Son for us to be new in
No hate is in God because, because the power of death is in his life, because Jesus is the giver of life of and death in his life.

And in all the lords's life in there life, man life, is either under the power of life or death not hate

As its his life.

Before the fall the power Adam was under the power of life in his life that was in Adam

After the fall Adam was under the power of death in his life that was still in Adam, but still his life was still in Adam.

All life recreated by Adam has his life, the life of Jesus which is under the power of death, until the power of life is re-sown in his life that is in all mankind

Jesus has never left the world

John 1 Jesus was in the world, you and I but we did not recognise him when he came.


John 1. Jesus the light of all mankind

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homwardbound

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No hate is in God because, because the power of death is in his life, because Jesus is the giver of life of and death in his life.

And in all the lords's life in there life, man life, is either under the power of life or death not hate

As its his life.

Before the fall the power Adam was under the power of life in his life that was in Adam

After the fall Adam was under the power of death in his life that was still in Adam, but still his life was still in Adam.

All life recreated by Adam has his life, the life of Jesus which is under the power of death, until the power of life is re-sown in his life that is in all mankind

Jesus has never left the world

John 1 Jesus was in the world, you and I but we did not recognise him when he came.


John 1. Jesus the light of all mankind

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Simply put, God the Father and Son as Won for us to be new has done the perfect work needed for us to be given new life in his risen life for us to stand in love to all and not just a few, thank you
 

homwardbound

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God simply knows what God has done, will do and can do, and remains 100% righteous in it all. God knows each of us personally and God holds us accountable to know as all make the choice whether, anyone says they believe God or not, God knows who do and who do not, this ia an amazing mysterious way of God simply loving us all. That is what changed, changes me to see new in God's Spirit and Truth over this flesh and blood body I am in. that I see is not good enough ever. So I ask and trust God for the born new me in God's Spirit and Truth for me and all others also.


Matthew 11:28-30

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28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden

Thank you Father and Son, it is done for us to be new in belief to you that does not quit Psalms 100:4, 103:12, Ezekiel 36: 24-38
 
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Nop
Who is born should enter the Kingdom because it is possible to him

To be born gives possibility to enter

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Saved who has been taken by angels to the heaven
 

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Thanks MerSee for your question.

""Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"

God gives people the ability to believe in Jesus. Before that they were dead spiritually, without a savior to trust. But God gave them Spiritual Life who were once dead and now he describes them as living. Since they are now living, believing and trusting Jesus, they will never die, even if the body dies, they will continue living in him. "And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"
 

homwardbound

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Nop
Who is born should enter the Kingdom because it is possible to him

To be born gives possibility to enter

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Saved who has been taken by angels to the heaven
it is forever between God's Son and God Father as won, Jesus being the only n\mediator between God and man. The way, the truth and the new life, offered, for us to be born new in in God's Spirit and Truth forever leading us new, thank you
This is my experience in never giving up on belief to Col. 1:21-23 stand in belief, get out from under that noose around our necks, under Law that no other flesh can do perfectly, but Son that did it once for us all It is done (John 19:30)
Thanks as we each grow up under the new Law Hebrews 7:11-12
 
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Depends how you mean it. Ultimately yes, but just because someone doesn't get there in this life doesn't mean they won't in the next.
 

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Believe God in Son as risen and receive from God the new life of in God's spirit and truth to you, you, me and all others too, there really is no semantics in this truth,
Believe, receive and see, as long as one does not stop belief even in adversities one will see as Job saw in the book of Job, who would not deny God ever. I see to not deny God at all as man continues to mess it up all over the place in words to distract and cause doubt in them. Believe God, stand in that personally between God and you to see truth and be set free. I am speaking to me
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But Nicodemus believed for he said:“Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that you do, unless God is with him.

Absolutey, Nicodemus already had faith in Jesus which made him a believer.

Remember that the word "anothen" can mean born again or born from above.

Even the church didn't promote the usage of "born again" for 1900 years
 

Everlasting-Grace

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those who are not yet born again are still dead in their sin. And in a state of condemnation, unless and until they become born again.
 

Omegatime

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To enter the Kingdom of God one must be born from above by the Spirit in the Resurrection

. 5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
 

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When you decide to receive the gift of everlasting life by believing on Jesus, you are born by the Spirit into the family of God.
Water birth from the mother occurs first as Jesus said.
Then spiritual birth must occur according to Jesus, OR you remain condemned.

18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
 

Omegatime

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1 Cor. 15 44 It is sown a physical body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual body.

46 But it is not the spiritual which is first but the physical, and then the spiritual

50 I tell you this, brethren: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

The question in John 3 was how does one enter the Kingdom of God!
 

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But Nicodemus believed for he said:“Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that you do, unless God is with him.

Absolutey, Nicodemus already had faith in Jesus which made him a believer.

Remember that the word "anothen" can mean born again or born from above.

Even the church didn't promote the usage of "born again" for 1900 years
Yes, I agree Nicodemus got saved by God, yet not by how you just surmised it. Nicodemus was a part of getting
Jesus's body off to the grave sight.

wow, let us use semantics and judge that one in and that one out, by our thought(s) of ourselves in our own fleshly interpretations. That is what I see coming out of you, friend. Yet I am not here to argue over anything, okay thanks
Just sharing belief to the King, by no good work from me, only God's good work done through Son.
God knows who is who, what is what and how to get the truth to us all. God does that in Spirit and Truth (The Holy Spirit) that began on Pentecost. For us, the people to believe God and trust God to continue, even whenever anyone does not see the outcomes(s) as they might have thought they should be, like in Luke 18:9-14 tells me, who got justified, in that Scripture passage? Read it please, to not be arrogant or proud as if you know truth and pray for me too to trust God only and have no pride. Thank you
Paul even said in Phil 3, not that he was perfect, he saw, he is not perfect only God is, sees, to just move forward in the present second, putting behind him what is behind him. It by God remains forgiven for him by God to him in risen Son.
It is not something for anyone to take for granted at alll. Yet many are getting diagnosed with being forgiven by God and there is no more. Wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he is risen where the new life is given for people to be in thanksgiving and praise over this fact


Colossians 1:21-23

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21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:


People are only getting. a half-sham Gospel, accepting being forgiven as so go on the same as were, harming others, killing others, stealing from others, having the diagnosis we are okay, we are forgiven.

There is the full Gospel, to be received from God Father and risen Son only. It isa for me, and others to see what I need. That is more that just forgiveness. It is the risen Life of Jesus to live new in willingly, for me at least
Hope you are well between God and you
Love to all from God Father of the risen Son
 

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people who are healed by Jesus are saved. People delivered from demons are saved. But many of those are not born again.
 

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people who are healed by Jesus are saved. People delivered from demons are saved. But many of those are not born again.
Peter said, Lord save me!
He didn't want to drown in the waves of the sea. That's a use of the same word with a different application. There are some that apply physical salvation to that of salvation from sins and the wages thereof.

Jesus uses the term born of the Spirit the same as born again. Then in verse 17 KJV the term saved is used synonymously.
The maniac of Gadera was saved and born again. Jesus was banned from his land, but he wasn't. He was given the command to go back and tell his city what the Lord had done for him. This shows me that the man was saved or delivered of demons and believed on Jesus to the saving of his soul....born again spirit.