SO MANY FALSE PASTORS TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!
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its the will of God for Kenneth copeland to have wealth in the past. Why? because its happened.
James 4:15 You ought to say instead, “If the Lord is willing, then we will live and do this or that.
that verse applies to the future.
James 4:15 You ought to say instead, “If the Lord is willing, then we will live and do this or that.
that verse applies to the future.
combines the second and third tithe into one. "Two tithes were required: an annual tithe for the maintenance of the Levites (Lev. 27:30; Num. 18:21) and a second tithe brought to Jerusalem for the Lord’s feasts (Deut. 14:22). Every third year, however, the second tithe was kept at home for the poor (Deut. 14:28).
I wouldn't give Kenneth Copeland anything but a good Bible study. The stuff he says, oh my.
https://www.tiktok.com/@iamkept/video/7250629296362900778
Why give this guy money so he can spread more of this tripe?
I have, all through this thread, thought that Matt12ABC is pulling our leg. I can't believe he believes that.
https://www.tiktok.com/@iamkept/video/7250629296362900778
Why give this guy money so he can spread more of this tripe?
I have, all through this thread, thought that Matt12ABC is pulling our leg. I can't believe he believes that.
When we look at the history of the institutional model, we become acutely aware of the fact that it was man-made, not God-breathed.
This, then, renders it not at all surprising that many of the individual, institutional models in each neighborhood and country road will adopt unbiblical doctrines, practices, and, yes, even leaders who are all hirelings...those that fill the position on the basis of a salary. Finding men of biblical stature to lead believers is hard to find, especially in this last century plus.
The giants in the faith have pointed their fingers out across their audiences, declaring that many of them out there will not make it into Heaven. Some recognize this as fact, and some do not. The institutional model, being man-made, is indeed the "church" model wherein unbelievers and pagans can and do enter in and corrupt them and their memberships.
The (C)hurch on the other hand, is the body where not one unbeliever enters in, and cannot enter in except that they be born again.
So, all the complaints about those things out there that are nothing more than an institutional, worldly manifestation of what many call their "church," yeah. They leave much to be desired.
There's no perfect model, but there is one that is portrayed in scripture that many attempt to pretend they are following, but fail miserably because of the in-born tendencies arising from the religiosity of the institutional model and culture in general, which has been deeply ingrained in us all, being brought into that fellowship, and this renders it down to the levels of inferiority and ineffectiveness that so characterizes much of what we see within the institutional model that is so easily beset with criticisms, intrigue and accusation.
If anyone is wondering about that model of which I speak, then I point only to the NT scriptures, where that model is exemplified so clearly, and yet so overlooked by the masses because of the massive blinders culture and the institutional model has applied to the eyes of those who are subject to those worldly manifestations. There simply is not enough time nor space to spell it all out to those who refuse to read their Bibles as something more important than a mere novel, but rather study it in-depth, systematically, and meaningfully more relevant than the prime time sitcoms on TV and social media.
Does that sound melancholic? I prefer to call it realistic, because when we pull our heads up out of the sands of worldly things, and dare to look around at reality, we become acutely aware of the fact that the world always takes its toll...which is to have bitten off a large chunk from that part of one's anatomy that was still stuck up in the air, unprotected, while their head was stuck in the sand...
MM
This, then, renders it not at all surprising that many of the individual, institutional models in each neighborhood and country road will adopt unbiblical doctrines, practices, and, yes, even leaders who are all hirelings...those that fill the position on the basis of a salary. Finding men of biblical stature to lead believers is hard to find, especially in this last century plus.
The giants in the faith have pointed their fingers out across their audiences, declaring that many of them out there will not make it into Heaven. Some recognize this as fact, and some do not. The institutional model, being man-made, is indeed the "church" model wherein unbelievers and pagans can and do enter in and corrupt them and their memberships.
The (C)hurch on the other hand, is the body where not one unbeliever enters in, and cannot enter in except that they be born again.
So, all the complaints about those things out there that are nothing more than an institutional, worldly manifestation of what many call their "church," yeah. They leave much to be desired.
There's no perfect model, but there is one that is portrayed in scripture that many attempt to pretend they are following, but fail miserably because of the in-born tendencies arising from the religiosity of the institutional model and culture in general, which has been deeply ingrained in us all, being brought into that fellowship, and this renders it down to the levels of inferiority and ineffectiveness that so characterizes much of what we see within the institutional model that is so easily beset with criticisms, intrigue and accusation.
If anyone is wondering about that model of which I speak, then I point only to the NT scriptures, where that model is exemplified so clearly, and yet so overlooked by the masses because of the massive blinders culture and the institutional model has applied to the eyes of those who are subject to those worldly manifestations. There simply is not enough time nor space to spell it all out to those who refuse to read their Bibles as something more important than a mere novel, but rather study it in-depth, systematically, and meaningfully more relevant than the prime time sitcoms on TV and social media.
Does that sound melancholic? I prefer to call it realistic, because when we pull our heads up out of the sands of worldly things, and dare to look around at reality, we become acutely aware of the fact that the world always takes its toll...which is to have bitten off a large chunk from that part of one's anatomy that was still stuck up in the air, unprotected, while their head was stuck in the sand...
MM
Ah, the tithe... Something that so many have missed about the OT tithe is that it never had anything to do with negotiated, earned wages. Not one wage earner was required to hand over one red cent to the Levites, and yet false teachers, both historically and in modern times ignore this harsh reality. Most of us here are wage earners, and so that system has no correlation to most of us today.
If one chooses a tenth as their guide, then go for it. Whatever each one purposes in their hearts, that is what they should give, and give it where it will actually meet needs before giving primarily to something from which the giver benefits, such as their institutional church organization.
MM
If one chooses a tenth as their guide, then go for it. Whatever each one purposes in their hearts, that is what they should give, and give it where it will actually meet needs before giving primarily to something from which the giver benefits, such as their institutional church organization.
MM
They can't get under the Bible's radar, and that also includes top-ranking clergymen who should know better..
"Some want to teach the law but don't understand it" (1 Tim 1:7)
"Beware men who spoil you with enticing words, deceitful philosophy not after Christ" (Col 2:4-8 )
"Ignorant people distort things, to their own destruction" (2 Pet 3:16/17)
"Little children, let nobody lead you astray" (1 John 3:7)
"Ungodly men have slipped in among you" (Jude 4:4)
Jesus said- "Call nobody teacher except me" (Matt 23:8-10)
"Some want to teach the law but don't understand it" (1 Tim 1:7)
"Beware men who spoil you with enticing words, deceitful philosophy not after Christ" (Col 2:4-8 )
"Ignorant people distort things, to their own destruction" (2 Pet 3:16/17)
"Little children, let nobody lead you astray" (1 John 3:7)
"Ungodly men have slipped in among you" (Jude 4:4)
Jesus said- "Call nobody teacher except me" (Matt 23:8-10)
This is only my opinion. Most of the American Church is near or completely blind, those teaching and attending are not prepared to be soldiers in the Army of the Lord. I began my walk with with the Lord 31 years ago and I can tell you that the first 25 years were confusing and frustrating. I tried multiple churches throughout my walk and always left feeling empty and more confused, so I started out on my own to learn His Word. This was not a good thing because the online resources I used were just a confusing. About six years ago I felt a pull towards Messianic Judaism teachings and the Word of G-d began to speak to me and unanswered questions were being answered. What happened, I got to know the G-d of Israel and His son Yeshua, Messiah by reading the Hebrew Bible, Book of Revelation, Prophetic Teachings. I believe it is impossible to truly get to know our Lord without understanding Him in the Hebrew Bible, Book of Revelation, and prophecy. The more I learn, the more I revere and obey our G-d. Sorry about the two messages, first on got away from me. Blessings
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Sorry to hear this. My first 11 were the same.
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False prophets are those who speak for the Lord words the Lord never gave to them, and therefore they speak presumptuously.
It sounds like what you are alluding to is false teachers. The teaching authority God gave to the men who serve Him in that capacity, such as the plurality of elders. There's no job description given for "pastors" in the Bible that I can find. Many have assumed the roles of the elders to them, which is fine. Not a real crisis.
Additionally, the modern and historic institutional model is purely man-made, not God-breathed. The institutional model stands or falls on the foundation of money. The Church, on the other hand, which is comprised of people, is not built upon nor dependent upon money. She lives and breathes on the basis of Divine creation, not the handiwork of mankind.
MM
It sounds like what you are alluding to is false teachers. The teaching authority God gave to the men who serve Him in that capacity, such as the plurality of elders. There's no job description given for "pastors" in the Bible that I can find. Many have assumed the roles of the elders to them, which is fine. Not a real crisis.
Additionally, the modern and historic institutional model is purely man-made, not God-breathed. The institutional model stands or falls on the foundation of money. The Church, on the other hand, which is comprised of people, is not built upon nor dependent upon money. She lives and breathes on the basis of Divine creation, not the handiwork of mankind.
MM
I too am Messianic, but not of the Judaism flavor. I don't kiss the scroll when it's marched around the room.
As an Israeli, I too sought something of greater substance, and didn't find it among my Messianic Judaism friends and family. Their fixation on observances, kosher, Sabbaterianism, et al, none of it had the substance that filled my heart and soul. There is much ritual and tradition, yes, but lacking the substance of the life of Yahshuah. My Messianic friends, among whom are also Hebrew Roots Gentiles, they rarely spend much, if any, time in the Gospels, the Epistles, and what other of the apostles wrote. The Mosaic Law (Torah) enjoys the largest portion of their fixation and focus, which is sad and pathetic.
I love Torah, but its fulfillment in Yahshuah is something that they all have completely missed and reject with vehement indifference to what many other Jews who spent day and night with Yahshuah have written to us. The lifelessness of their devotions is strikingly bereft of the freedoms and the power, all of which originates with Yahshuah. The writing of His Law upon our hearts is what I live by. The deadness in the letter of the 613 Laws is profoundly incapable of giving life to anyone, given its basis in animal blood. Yah's Moral Law is forever, but the rituals and other restrictions that served only to set Israel apart from all other nations...no. Being indwelt by Yahshuah is what NOW sets us all apart who are indeed indwelt by His Spirit. That is an infinitely profound setting apart that the Mosaic Law could never accomplish!
Thanks for sharing.
MM
As an Israeli, I too sought something of greater substance, and didn't find it among my Messianic Judaism friends and family. Their fixation on observances, kosher, Sabbaterianism, et al, none of it had the substance that filled my heart and soul. There is much ritual and tradition, yes, but lacking the substance of the life of Yahshuah. My Messianic friends, among whom are also Hebrew Roots Gentiles, they rarely spend much, if any, time in the Gospels, the Epistles, and what other of the apostles wrote. The Mosaic Law (Torah) enjoys the largest portion of their fixation and focus, which is sad and pathetic.
I love Torah, but its fulfillment in Yahshuah is something that they all have completely missed and reject with vehement indifference to what many other Jews who spent day and night with Yahshuah have written to us. The lifelessness of their devotions is strikingly bereft of the freedoms and the power, all of which originates with Yahshuah. The writing of His Law upon our hearts is what I live by. The deadness in the letter of the 613 Laws is profoundly incapable of giving life to anyone, given its basis in animal blood. Yah's Moral Law is forever, but the rituals and other restrictions that served only to set Israel apart from all other nations...no. Being indwelt by Yahshuah is what NOW sets us all apart who are indeed indwelt by His Spirit. That is an infinitely profound setting apart that the Mosaic Law could never accomplish!
Thanks for sharing.
MM