Passion Week

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JohnDB

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So...
Today I went to church for the first time in a long time...
I wasn't amused.
oh the high dollar casual clothes and the high dollar Audio Visual equipment with the best lights money can buy while using high dollar wood to build the stage out of that is "unfinished" and made to look reclaimed but is actually some of the most expensive wood money can buy.

the bobble headed praise band on stage where some of the most physically attractive people are placed to lead the congregation in worship music but you can't hear a one of them....

but I am digressing....

The pastor was trying to teach a lesson from the pulpit about the Passion of Jesus.

and he focused in on the Pharisees trying to stop the entire brigade of the group of disciples singing. (which at this point was hundreds)
The singing, the riding of a donkey colt, cutting of the palm fronds and the crowds shouting "Save Us!". All of which was foretold of the coming Messiah and King...all very treasonous and rebellious behavior.

Pharisees weren't the bad guys that every preacher tries to make them out to be. They followed the Law...they did what was right. They felt somewhat responsible for those that watched them. And in this instance, they were focused on everyone else's life...because if this crowd turned into a riot then the Roman Soldiers would come and kill them all. The Pharisees actually had positive motives for trying to keep things down and contained....they wanted to save lives.

But Jesus had other ideas about what was coming...
Before Jesus made his famous donkey ride...he told the story of Archelious (ark kell ee us) as a "parable"...and the story of the ten minas.

Jesus knew he wasn't going to be wanted as the king...but He just was the rightful king. And Jesus wasn't concerned so much about the here and now(as the Pharisees were) but all of eternity....

And I find the question oddly perplexing.

For once the Pharisees were concerned about someone else...other than their own self righteousness. And they were trying to be good and do good things.
Their heart was in the right place.
Their motives also were right.
But they were dead wrong.

Of course Jesus was right...His tour of ministry was so highly scripted. Foretold and predicted down to the least detail.
"He came into his own but his own received him not"

but...
I wonder...
Do we, having truly positive motives...the best of intentions, do the wrong thing?
 

JohnDB

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Nobody?
 

Rhomphaeam

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So...
Today I went to church for the first time in a long time...
I wasn't amused.
oh the high dollar casual clothes and the high dollar Audio Visual equipment with the best lights money can buy while using high dollar wood to build the stage out of that is "unfinished" and made to look reclaimed but is actually some of the most expensive wood money can buy.

the bobble headed praise band on stage where some of the most physically attractive people are placed to lead the congregation in worship music but you can't hear a one of them....

but I am digressing....

The pastor was trying to teach a lesson from the pulpit about the Passion of Jesus.

and he focused in on the Pharisees trying to stop the entire brigade of the group of disciples singing. (which at this point was hundreds)
The singing, the riding of a donkey colt, cutting of the palm fronds and the crowds shouting "Save Us!". All of which was foretold of the coming Messiah and King...all very treasonous and rebellious behavior.

Pharisees weren't the bad guys that every preacher tries to make them out to be. They followed the Law...they did what was right. They felt somewhat responsible for those that watched them. And in this instance, they were focused on everyone else's life...because if this crowd turned into a riot then the Roman Soldiers would come and kill them all. The Pharisees actually had positive motives for trying to keep things down and contained....they wanted to save lives.

But Jesus had other ideas about what was coming...
Before Jesus made his famous donkey ride...he told the story of Archelious (ark kell ee us) as a "parable"...and the story of the ten minas.

Jesus knew he wasn't going to be wanted as the king...but He just was the rightful king. And Jesus wasn't concerned so much about the here and now(as the Pharisees were) but all of eternity....

And I find the question oddly perplexing.

For once the Pharisees were concerned about someone else...other than their own self righteousness. And they were trying to be good and do good things.
Their heart was in the right place.
Their motives also were right.
But they were dead wrong.

Of course Jesus was right...His tour of ministry was so highly scripted. Foretold and predicted down to the least detail.
"He came into his own but his own received him not"

but...
I wonder...
Do we, having truly positive motives...the best of intentions, do the wrong thing?
It is difficult to absorb the twisting of what the pastor said regarding the entrance into Jerusalem from the Mount of Olives when the Pharisees told Jesus to rebuke his disciples because of what they were singing. You should have rebuked the pastor openly and cursed his utter ruinous ambition to refuse that by then there was no hope for them. For the sake of a few these pastors will be torn down. Whereas there may be no hope for that pastor. Men like him along with a multitude of elders that uphold their blasphemies have already crossed a line of no return.

If you had known in this day, even you, the things which make for peace! But now they have been hidden from your eyes.” (Luke 19:42)

These words were expressly spoken in response to a few Pharisees who said to the Lord, “Teacher, rebuke your disciples.” To make the point emphatic, Jesus said, “if you had known this day, even you [Israel] the things which make for peace, But now they have been hidden from your eyes.” The Pharisees had already been cut off, and Israel could only comprehend as it was given to individuals, by reason of the Father. Now the Lord is saying to Israel directly, “If you had known in this day, even you, the things which make for peace! But now they have been hidden from your eyes.” (Luke 19:42)

In Mark 3:22 we read of the moment when the Pharisees, now on the Mount of Olives, blasphemed the Holy Spirit, by saying, “He hath Beelzebub, and, By the prince of the demons casteth he out the demons.” It is directly after this blasphemy that Jesus stopped speaking plainly and began to speak in parables. The first of which parables’ was the parable of the sower, according to Mark 4:3-8.

The progression in the churches has been well documented and warned against for nearly 40 years. And still they are peddling their wares and seeking to make it look ancient - when it is the very evidence of their own rebellion.
 

Aerials1978

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A lot of churches now are in the business of selling entertainment and positive motivational lectures. This is not indicative of every church, but a large number within the US.
 

JohnDB

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But what about this question...

Pharisees were trying to do good. They were looking out for the lives of people.

Of course they didn't understand that Jesus was the Messiah.

How are we different today from how we perceive things?
 

Aerials1978

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But what about this question...

Pharisees were trying to do good. They were looking out for the lives of people.

Of course they didn't understand that Jesus was the Messiah.

How are we different today from how we perceive things?
Most of the Pharisees were not looking out for good of the people. They were more interested in their socioeconomic status, hence why Jesus spoke harshly of them. They were dead men walking.
 

JohnDB

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Most of the Pharisees were not looking out for good of the people. They were more interested in their socioeconomic status, hence why Jesus spoke harshly of them. They were dead men walking.
Ahhh...
But in this instance they actually were.
 

JohnDB

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When they wanted the disciples to stop singing....they were scared a riot was going to break out.

Jesus riding a donkey colt, cutting down of palm fronds...the crowd shouting "save us"....this is all highly treasonous behavior towards the Roman Empire. Roman Soldiers were probably at the ready to kill them all.
 
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But what about this question...

Pharisees were trying to do good. They were looking out for the lives of people.

Of course they didn't understand that Jesus was the Messiah.

How are we different today from how we perceive things?
No they were not. Read Matthew 23, the woes cast unto the Pharisees and scribes.