Muslims can we trust them

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Beliver

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My partner has this thing about Muslims saying it a bad religion there are brain washed and commit hell and crime Muslims are not all from Iraq and I met a few and they was lovely people !! Is he a racist ? Everyone is entitled to think what they will but my cousin has just started going out with a white Muslim from Bosnia !! And he talks down to her clicks his fingers at her and I find him rude so not a great start ! In so confused !! Maybe I don't really know what a real Muslim stand for I just see all things on news ! ;,/ not good
 
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im married to a arab muslim.
 
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The most important thing to realize about Islam is that it is a false religion. Individual people vary! I'm sure there are some very nice, loving Muslims. I had a Muslim neighbor once who was very friendly and kind. Unfortunately, they do not follow the one True God and are not saved. So we should treat them as we would any other unsaved individuals by showing them God's love.
 
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Jeremiah says that cursed be the man who trusts in man.
 
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Beliver said:
My partner has this thing about Muslims saying it a bad religion there are brain washed and commit hell and crime Muslims are not all from Iraq and I met a few and they was lovely people !! Is he a racist ? Everyone is entitled to think what they will but my cousin has just started going out with a white Muslim from Bosnia !! And he talks down to her clicks his fingers at her and I find him rude so not a great start ! In so confused !! Maybe I don't really know what a real Muslim stand for I just see all things on news ! ;,/ not good
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Islam is a race?
 
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Islam is a religion, Muslim is the title of the person's identity within that religion. Despite how there's many Muslim dominated societies in the Middle East and Arab world, that doesn't make it a race. The term Muslims use if others don't approve of their faith is called Islamophobe.

No, I don't trust many if not all Muslims. They come off as arrogant and rude. I could say more than that if I want to.
 
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The question really becomes,could I ever trust a person,who does not trust in Jesus? They do not know or understand love then,they do not understand true compassion,or grace either. They also do not really care about you unless for themselves about another person either.In words maybe, but sure not in deeds!

They use words for personal gain, not because they really care about you. For if people look to dead words to bring those words to life again,what is the result?( 1 kings 18:22-40!!) What is the difference here? They worship a god who cannot hear them, 7 times a day,they believe by the things they do,they will enter the Kingdom,but which Kingdom?? Does light have anything to do with darkness?

To witness to them about Jesus sure! But to make yourself a part of there darkness?? I know of a brother who intends to have a Muslim roommate,he believes he will change him over to Jesus? He will?? Self effort cannot change the heart of any man or woman,only Holy Spirit does this.

For it is not your faith to start with,so how can we believe we ourselfs can ever change a person by it? What we are from the Lord are signs! We point the way,even as john did.( john 1:25-34)then John 3:27-31!!)And on a more personal note,because I can only speak of my own life,and not those of others,EVERYWHERE!!!! that I have preached our Lord Jesus,Jesus has always confirmed himself,by signs which followed!( mark 16:20) So all i am is a sign pointing to who stands before me! Jesus! Not me!

And if you are willing to become that sign which some people will ignore,some will drive through,some will even turn there heads away,then you know the sign Jesus confirms upon you is most real!( john 15:18-20!!) But some will harken to the sign Jesus confirms in you!!

And they are the very ones,that Jesus has us out for in the first place! It is not that I hate Muslims,for I do not hate anyone! But when i come upon one,i already know one thing for certain! They have nothing to give me,not because they do not wish to,but because they can't give us anything they themselves do not obtain through our Jesus,so I look to point Jesus to them,so they will be able to give something in return to others! ( john 13:34)

Our sign! Some will take time to read it, some will not,some will look to be an example of this, some will not,but it does not matter what others do!!It matters what you believe and then do!!( james 1:22)
 
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To you they do because in their mind you're just a dirty kafir outside of their false religious cult. But look at the bright side, they are wrong and you are right :).

JustAnotherUser said:
Islam is a religion, Muslim is the title of the person's identity within that religion. Despite how there's many Muslim dominated societies in the Middle East and Arab world, that doesn't make it a race. The term Muslims use if others don't approve of their faith is called Islamophobe.

No, I don't trust many if not all Muslims. They come off as arrogant and rude. I could say more than that if I want to.
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It depends what your bases for trust are, and what you'd want to trust someone for. It also depends on the individual Muslim. It is like asking a blanket 'can we trust Christians'? Well, for what? Why? What kind of trust? Which Christians?

What behavioural characteristics does any particular person require in another person to be able to trust them?

Can I trust them to show up on time? Surely it depends on the individual person. Can I trust them to look after my children? Surely it depends on the individual person. Can I trust them to keep a secret? Surely it depends on the individual person.

Asking such a question is evidence of a misframed mind. If we look at the context within the question, several things come to mind;

The question is asked in a way where the asker groups over a billion people who each think autonomously, thus whose personalities are varied, diverse and whose outlooks are different, into a singular persona. But, one Muslim will be different to another. Thus, asking whether you can trust 'them' as one humongous group is an impossible question to answer, since their personae are not all identical nor part of some collective, singular consciousness.

The better thing to do would be to talk to a Muslim person in the street, make friends with a Muslim person or seek out Muslim people to get to know. If one rebuts you, consider it no different than how another unique person, perhaps atheist, or even Christian, might rebut you.

If one atheist rebuts you, it does not reflect on all atheists. That particular person's actions cannot rightly be something with which you can judge all atheists. A person, regardless of their faith or lack thereof, cannot be condemned for the decisions of another person.

If they were, then we could create any group and condemn groups as a whole. We could meet a student of particle physics who is rude, and then we condemn all particle physicists as rude people, which would be insane. So, why don't you seek out and discover Muslim people.

And be careful not to consider one Muslim's actions representative of the entire 'group'. Stop asking 'can we trust Muslims' and start asking 'can I trust this ​unique person?'
 
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*nods* What he said
 
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Before 9/11 I never noticed so many Muslims in the US, I have 2 (fam), know of 4 american girls who married one some within months others a year or so,.. However, these girls are not so Christian,.. though one claims to be. I suppose it would sound paranoid of me to think something strange of it all, but I do (At, my uncles we do a little target practice, and shooting guns... one of these guys who married family members bought an AK-47 and they were out there checking it out. Nothing crazy happened but it's awkward for me to think why this guy would buy that.) So, is it wise to be un-equally yoked with unbelievers (?), no..

Me personally, I don't trust them and don't want to believe any of what their Quran says. Though some of that stuff you (OP) posted seemed a little far-fetched maybe (idk).
 
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Being more discrete about it though, some muslims may come to convert, though some claim once you're a muslim you can't be otherwise. Perhaps it's one of the struggles they face, these crazy mad men raged up a bad reputation for themselves and a label for muslims and arabs. So some may try to escape to america for freedom of religion, and safety in general i guess. This is a better place to convert them. Those ones who are not radicals. Everyone is entitled to know the Jesus Christ is Lord. Even more-so when it's too late. Yea, so some might be 'down to earth'.
 
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The biggest issue you'll find in the religion regarding trust is the following.
Granted each person is unique and all are in need of a saviour through Jesus Christ (not Isa either! For Isa died for no man.).

Like most religions, Islam in general, forbids lying. The Quran says, "Truly Allah guides not one who transgresses and lies." Surah 40:28. In the Hadith, Mohammed was also quoted as saying, "Be honest because honesty leads to goodness, and goodness leads to Paradise. Beware of falsehood because it leads to immorality, and immorality leads to Hell."

However, unlike most religions, within Islam there are certain provisions under which lying is not simply tolerated, but actually encouraged. The book "The spirit of Islam," by the Muslim scholar, Afif A. Tabbarah was written to promote Islam. On page 247, Tabbarah stated: "Lying is not always bad, to be sure; there are times when telling a lie is more profitable and better for the general welfare, and for the settlement of conciliation among people, than telling the truth. To this effect, the Prophet says: 'He is not a false person who (through lies) settles conciliation among people, supports good or says what is good."
In exploring this puzzling duplicity within Islam, we will examine first some examples from recent and ancient Islamic history. These examples demonstrate that lying is a common policy amongst Islamic clerics and statesmen...
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Whereas lying is forbidden in the religion - it is also encouraged if to deceive for purpose of war, reconciliation, or keeping of the peace.
 
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I think you shouldn't listen to people that say "this or that religion is false". You should listen to what the quran says if you really want the answers on your questions.
 
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Christians are lambs. Muslims are goats. Jews are rams. I am a wolf, not a serpent.
 
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You know what that in my country, Indonesia, they're building their mosque like building houses, they're quite cunning, Christians are suppresed like nails. They are really happy if they could convert person or artist to their religion. And one more thing they're really feeling joy to turn Christian to their false religion. :p
 
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You can trust a muslim. With a ten foot pole!
 
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Beliver said:
My partner has this thing about Muslims saying it a bad religion there are brain washed and commit hell and crime Muslims are not all from Iraq and I met a few and they was lovely people !! Is he a racist ? Everyone is entitled to think what they will but my cousin has just started going out with a white Muslim from Bosnia !! And he talks down to her clicks his fingers at her and I find him rude so not a great start ! In so confused !! Maybe I don't really know what a real Muslim stand for I just see all things on news ! ;,/ not good
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We can trust all true, orthodox followers of Muhammad, to do just as their "messenger" did, and commanded his followers to do:

Quran Surah 8:12I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

Quran Surah 9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah. then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

Bukhari, V1 B2 #24 Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives an property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."

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Quran Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!


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Qur'an 33:26 "Allah took down the People of the Scripture Book. He cast terror into their hearts. Some you slew, and some you made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, giving you a land which you had not traversed before. And Allah has power over all things."
JIHAD AND ISLAMIC TERRORISM
 
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Regarding any so-called "peace" agreements, we can trust orthodox Muslims to expiate their oaths when something better comes along, just as commanded of them:

By Allah, and Allah willing, if I take an oath and later find something else better than that. then I do what is better and expiate my oath.' " Sahih Bukhari 7:67:427

Narrated 'Abdur-Rahman bin Samura:
The Prophet said, "O 'Abdur-Rahman! Do not seek to be a ruler, for if you are given authority on your demand then you will be held responsible for it, but if you are given it without asking (for it), then you will be helped (by Allah) in it. If you ever take an oath to do something and later on you find that something else is better, then you should expiate your oath and do what is better." Sahih Bukhari 9:89:260

".....So far as I am concerned, by Allah, if He so wills, I would not swear, but if, later on, I would see better than it, I (would break the vow) and expiate it and do that which is better. Sahih Muslim 15:4044

.....whereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace he upon him) said: He who took an oath and (later on) found something better than that should do that, and expiate for (breaking) his vow. Sahih Muslim 15:4052

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who took an oath and then found another thing better than (this) should expiate for the oath (broken) by him and do (the better thing). Sahih Muslim 15:4053

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who took an oath and (later on) found another thing better than that, he should do that which is better, and expiate for the vow (broken by him). Sahih Muslim 15:4054

This hadith is narrated on the authority of Suhail with the same chain of transmitters (with these words): "He should expiate for (breaking) the vow and do that which is better." Sahih Muslim 15:4055

'Adi reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: When anyone amongst you takes an oath, but he finds (something) better than that he should expiate (the breaking of the oath), and do that which is better. Sahih Muslim 15:4058
 
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