All Things Under Christ

[Gideon300]

And He has made known to us the mystery of His will according to His good pleasure, which He purposed in Christ a plan for the fullness of time, to bring all things in heaven and on earth together in Christ (Ephesians 1:9 & 10)

40 minutes into the meeting and the name of Jesus is finally mentioned. In the kids segment. I said some words about this and I was accused of being critical. Maybe so, but I also know that the name of Jesus is still the name above all names, that the power is in the name of Jesus and it is the name of Jesus that offends.

The name of Jesus will cause Satan to tremble and demons to flee. You can say, "God" and "Lord" and get little reaction. Say the name of Jesus, declare that He is Lord, King of Kings and Lord of Lords and watch the reaction.

Everyone, man, fallen angel and demon alike and Satan himself, will bow before Jesus. Satan and his host will bow by compulsion. People will either bow by choice or by compulsion. How much better to submit ourselves to the Lordship of Christ right now.

Many have the wrong concept of Lordship. Yes, it cuts across the independence, self will, pride and rebellion that is ingrained in the self of the soul. But it means liberty, peace, joy and fulfillment to those who accept the Lordship of Jesus.

Self will argue and resist. Once the hold of self is broken, we can walk in harmony with Jesus, the one who loved us enough to die in our place. We will face Him as Justifier, not as the harsh taskmaster some imagine Him to be. It is the rebellious who fear. Let's entrust ourselves to the mercy and grace of Jesus. Let Him transform us. It will not be easy but it will be worthwhile.

Two days ago, I crashed my pushbike. Again. A council worker was metres away and came to my aid. She gave me some water. I could not ride the bike as my shoulder was not good and my hand bruised. She organised a colleague to pick up my bike and take it to my home. My wife picked me up. It could have been so much worse. Jesus was there with me all the time.

 

[Dino246]

Sad you had an accident, but glad you had the right Companion.

 

[Cameron143]

1 Corinthians 2:2...For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

 

[Stan_the_Man]

What's wrong with this world is Jesus has not assumed full control over it yet.

We see in the Book of Hebrews that Jesus has not assumed full control:

Hebrews 2:8
Thou hast put all things in subjection under His feet. for in that
He put all in subjection under Him, He left nothing that is not put
under Him. But now we see not yet all things put under Him

And, we also see that the devil is called the god of this world which
will not change until Jesus returns to start His 1000 year reign and
throws the devil and his demons in to hell.

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which
believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who
is the image of God, should shine unto them.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

1 Corinthians 2:2...For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

versus all I know is Jesus was crucified

 

[Pilgrimshope]

What's wrong with this world is Jesus has not assumed full control over it yet.

We see in the Book of Hebrews that Jesus has not assumed full control:

Hebrews 2:8
Thou hast put all things in subjection under His feet. for in that
He put all in subjection under Him, He left nothing that is not put
under Him. But now we see not yet all things put under Him

And, we also see that the devil is called the god of this world which
will not change until Jesus returns to start His 1000 year reign and
throws the devil and his demons in to hell.

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which
believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who
is the image of God, should shine unto them.

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Stan_the_Man]

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That does not make this one to be a lie:

Hebrews 2:8
Thou hast put all things in subjection under His feet. for in that
He put all in subjection under Him, He left nothing that is not put
under Him. But now we see not yet all things put under Him

This is simply point to Jesus not yet having assumed absolute control over the earth yet which He will when returns to start His 1000 year reign.

This explains why the world is in such a mess.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

That does not make this one to be a lie:

Hebrews 2:8
Thou hast put all things in subjection under His feet. for in that
He put all in subjection under Him, He left nothing that is not put
under Him. But now we see not yet all things put under Him

This is simply point to Jesus not yet having assumed absolute control over the earth yet which He will when returns to start His 1000 year reign.

This explains why the world is in such a mess.

no neither makes the other wrong or a lie whenever it seems that way reconciliation through other scripture dealing with the same subjects is the way to understand and reconcile. I wasn’t disagreeing I was hoping Toni spite some discussion of how we reconcile the two thoughts

when you said “ Christ is not yet in control of this earth yet “ is why I responded with that verse.

Who promised all of the curses in the law ?

This is independent from “how were those curses fulfilled and through whom and what manner were they fulfilled ?”

God is and has always been in control is my point , he delegated authority to mankind with his total and ultimate control.

part of his divine plan for creation is this which includes and involves man in that control and authority ( dominion ) by his Will before mans ever involved or e n exists he literally tells us man’s purpose in his creation plan

“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This doesn’t mean he’s not in control it means he wants mankind to share in creations life and movement and glory with him like a family like a father who is the definition of Good and his children who follow after that goodness by thier nature and rule on earth as he rules in heaven with order and justice and mercy and truth

But something happened that set all that follows in motion the man , who by Gods irrevocable word , had become ruler and possesser over the earth was deceived and misled and corrupted in his mind and heart through forbidden and contradictory knowledge of good and evil

god created this

“And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

mans corruptuon and dominion led here ten generations later

“And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:3, 5-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Now my poorly proposed point and relevance is God was always in control even when the earth became wicked hot beer man’s rule but he’s merciful and longsuffering towards man so even though he’s already the supreme authority of all creation

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Remember he’s foretold all this terrible tribulation coming upon Jerusalem then the world and even foretold long term that the world would end when he returns to gather his people , he’s definetely already in co trim but we need to let the things he and his apostles foretold now with that power and authority be fulfilled

his control is ultimate he speaks things and then later they happen all the tribulation is what he explained in the prophets and law it’s because man’s rebellion agains good and all that is God nd man rejecting all of his clear warnings these thkngs would come if they didn’t repent and rule the earth right

terribke ewrs and destruction and everything Gods control means his decisions matter and then will surely come to pass some of his declarations against the wicked are really terrible times so it’s not that he isn’t in control he’s already ordained all of the evils and tribulations in tbe world because of what we’ve all done

There’s a time for instance when Satan has power and authority on earth but this only comes because of the Old Testament prophecies by Gods powerful words of warning against sin and what would happen to the entire earth beginning at Jerusalem

“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; ( just like in Noah’s day ) because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

…Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth. The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5-6, 17, 19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Remember before the floods came

“The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:11-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Then the floods came God was always in control and men were stewards he makes decisions and announces them before they happen and tells people how to be saved from the evil that’s been declared the curses

“I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭45:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

man’s free Will and choice drives the curses and blessings Gods control is the declaration ahead of time man’s stewardship is to believe him and act accordingly is my point there’s a delegation of authority ….a stewardship relationship , it’s never that he’s not in control it’s tbat hE wants us to be part of his will

 

[Stan_the_Man]

God is and has always been in control is my point , he delegated authority to mankind with his total and ultimate control.

And mankind keep submitting to the devil allowing him to the god of this world.

And, we also see that the devil is called the god of this world which
will not change until Jesus returns to start His 1000 year reign and
throws the devil and his demons in to hell.

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which
believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who
is the image of God, should shine unto them.

The end times are when the Lord allows the devil to literally take full control of the earth for a time (thru the anti-christ) and we are leading up to the time right now

“I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭45:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God did not "create" or cause evil to come forth, that's a poor translation.

He took responsibility to clean up after a being He created (lucifer) decided to rebel which had a snow ball effect on the world and on man kind.

Ezekiel 28:15
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

James 1:13
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

And mankind keep submitting to the devil allowing him to the god of this world.

And, we also see that the devil is called the god of this world which
will not change until Jesus returns to start His 1000 year reign and
throws the devil and his demons in to hell.

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which
believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who
is the image of God, should shine unto them.

The end times are when the Lord allows the devil to literally take full control of the earth for a time (thru the anti-christ) and we are leading up to the time right now






God did not "create" or cause evil to come forth, that's a poor translation.

He took responsibility to clean up after a being He created (lucifer) decided to rebel which had a snow ball effect on the world and on man kind.

Ezekiel 28:15
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

James 1:13
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

“And, we also see that the devil is called the god of this world”
is he for sure saying Satan blinded them ?

“Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: and not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:12-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Im not really disagreeing there I’m just not as sure

This part

“God did not "create" or cause evil to come forth, that's a poor translation.”

ehhh no it’s a fine translation lol yet causing and cresting aren’t the same thing

I think your misunderstanding the nature of Gods dealings with mankind and mankind’s role in stewardship having freedom to choose the good or the evil set before them by the only creator from which all things came even the devil was created by God

“I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭30:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭30:15‬ ‭

This isnt mistranslated it’s just that we dont always recognize if we dont personally grasp something

“I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭45:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Therefore thus saith the LORD; Behold, against this family do I devise an evil, from which ye shall not remove your necks; neither shall ye go haughtily: for this time is evil.”
‭‭Micah‬ ‭2:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

throughout the Bible God tells man of life and death blessing and cursings good and evil it all comes from the creator even the darkness has a purpose you know the evil n revelation happens ing tbeouhhout all the terror and destruction ? Death and everything ?

“And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭17:16-18‬ ‭

i feel Like your vastly underestimating Gods foreknowledge and dominion over all things and that his plan is not yet completed but is still in motion but he’s not wondering because he’s the one who set everything in motion forewarning man by his word so that believers could be saved but non believers would be doomed