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Cameron143

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#41
Hello.
Why do I as a believer need to listen to the guy in the video to learn how God has been pushed out of the picture in today’s world?
What would I gain if I listened to the guy in the video? Will it be time well-spent or minutes which i’ll never get back for something that I (and I assume most other Christians) already know?
BTW...I'm considering writing a sitcom about nothing on a chat site. I'm thinking I might call it Minefeld. What do you think?
 

oyster67

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#42
Hello.
Why do I as a believer need to listen to the guy in the video to learn how God has been pushed out of the picture in today’s world?
What would I gain if I listened to the guy in the video? Will it be time well-spent or minutes which i’ll never get back for something that I (and I assume most other Christians) already know?
John Lennox has a very good Spirit about Him. It's worth 10 minutes. (y)
 

Eli1

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#43
BTW...I'm considering writing a sitcom about nothing on a chat site. I'm thinking I might call it Minefeld. What do you think?
Yes! I can help !

There’s plenty of material here …. and in real life too. :ROFL:
 
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Hey! That's be me Uncle Johnny! :geek:

Great video, and only 10 min. (y)
Even though my closest friends here are also Irish I can't get the hang of the lingo and sometime have to ask for the translation. Your uncle Johnny has a great testimony and I have listened to it three times already and still find something new every time.

There are a couple of other posts of him on this thread. Both are close to 90 minutes of the same basic refutation of secularist and atheist propositions which dominate academia. If you have never heard him debate there are also videos of him debating the atheists on you tube.

Not sure who the people he debates are but they are 'The Academic" leaders of their fields I think. He does an excellent job debating but not certain the 'Academics' change their view except that he mentions one that has kept him hanging and he has said he was waiting for a response for ten years but whether that happened I don't know since that video was done in 2018 possibly.

It is a good thing that God gave the Irish the 'gift of gab'. Wow!!!! Could it be possible that somehow the scriptures about 'tongues' could be referring to this? This just struck me when I typed 'gift of gab'. Could that be possible?!

On how the heart or mind is first or which is acting on first when God touches us is still mysterious to me. Seems that throughout my life I was getting little signs, read something here or there and not necessarily any Bible reference, that I would think about. So, I sort of think it is the mind that God sends His Spirit to work on first. Then in the video, Johnny talks about the mind first too.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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#49
The man starts well but ends up telling the children that they can live a sinful lifestyle after they are saved and still go to Heaven. People need to hear the Gospel, not Baptist OSAS false doctrine.

Hebrews 6:4-6
“For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,”
“And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,”
“If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.”

Hebrews 6:8
“But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.”
When I was a boy, I was very sinful.
Guess what ?
Dad lit the burn barrel in the back yard, filled it with wood and threw me in there. My ashes remain until this day.
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Of course I am being facetious.
Even though he was angry with me misbehaving, I was still his boy and he still loved me.
What Dad really did is discipline me. He took off his leather belt and whipped my butt. That's called chastening. That is what God my Father has done when necessary, with all of His children. To make ones eternal salvation from being burned in hell is more akin to the world religions. This preacher was not there to represent Islam, Mormonism, The Way International, or any other religion. He was there to teach the gospel.

"1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"
I Corinthians 15:1-4

The Biblical distinctive between Christian salvation and all the world's salvation is the works that they must do in order to be saved.

"And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work."
Romans 11:6
 

Cameron143

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#50
When I was a boy, I was very sinful.
Guess what ?
Dad lit the burn barrel in the back yard, filled it with wood and threw me in there. My ashes remain until this day.
.
.
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.
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Of course I am being facetious.
Even though he was angry with me misbehaving, I was still his boy and he still loved me.
What Dad really did is discipline me. He took off his leather belt and whipped my butt. That's called chastening. That is what God my Father has done when necessary, with all of His children. To make ones eternal salvation from being burned in hell is more akin to the world religions. This preacher was not there to represent Islam, Mormonism, The Way International, or any other religion. He was there to teach the gospel.

"1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"
I Corinthians 15:1-4

The Biblical distinctive between Christian salvation and all the world's salvation is the works that they must do in order to be saved.

"And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work."
Romans 11:6
Kudos also for using the word facetious. It is one of a few words in the English language with all the vowels in it and in order.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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#51
Kudos also for using the word facetious. It is one of a few words in the English language with all the vowels in it and in order.
I rarely use it.
I had no idea it had all of the vowels or that they were in order. 🤔
😄

Have you ever been a competitor on Jeopardy?
 

oyster67

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"1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"
I Corinthians 15:1-4
Good verse. Salvation is conditional.
It is not conditioned upon works, but upon fruit.
He will never leave us. Let's make sure we never leave Him.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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#58
Good verse. Salvation is conditional.
It is not conditioned upon works, but upon fruit.
He will never leave us. Let's make sure we never leave Him.
1 Corinthians 15
  1. 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
  2. 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
  3. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
  4. 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
  5. 5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
  6. 6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
  7. 7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
  8. 8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
  9. 9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
  10. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
  11. 11 Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.
  12. 12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
  13. 13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
  14. 14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
  15. 15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
  16. 16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
  17. 17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

Oyster,

It seems to me that Paul is defining the gospel. Part way into his statement, he slips in a prepositional phrase in verse 2 that seems odd until he explains further down in verse 12.

"Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?"

I think there were some liberal Sadducees who infiltrated their church or who had influenced some members that needed correcting on this essential point. He explains in verses 13, 14 what he's talking about with what is now revealed to be what he means by "unless ye have believed in vain, his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain, if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain, if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.".
The" believe/ faith in vain" is not addressing fruit or works here, but rather the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
The gospel includes the death , the burial AND the Resurrection of Christ. When He is trusted for salvation because of what Jesus did for us, the faith results in being free from the wages of sins.
 

TheDivineWatermark

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#60
he slips in a prepositional phrase in verse 2 that seems odd until he explains further down in verse 12.
The" believe/ faith in vain" is not addressing fruit or works here, but rather the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
The gospel includes the death , the burial AND the Resurrection of Christ.
Agreed! (y)




[one must understand this phrase in view of the entire rest of the context]