Summary of Bible references on the Rapture

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
32,092
5,649
113

5 A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it.

6 And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture.

7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it.

8 And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

This is a weird way of looking at a farm. Usually we think it is the farmers job to make sure the birds don't eat the seed, it is his job to water the crops and it is his job to pull up the weeds. But here Jesus is looking at the result and judging the soil based on the result. He doesn't blame the birds, or the drought or the thorns. Instead he is saying I can see how good the soil is by how much fruit it produces. Maybe it got that way because you were diligent to keep the birds away, you were diligent to get the water from the word each day and you were diligent to keep the thorns from choking out the word.

9 And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be?

10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

14 And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.

15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

Notice how He doesn't blame the devil. We have birds, they eat seeds, but we eat birds. Get yourself a .22 and go out and shoot the birds. We all have rocks in our hearts, things that keep us from having deep roots into God. We have to deal with those things. Everyone has distractions, the TV, the internet, movies, these could choke the word from everyone but in reality only chokes the word from some. Those that are bringing forth fruit with patience reveal that they have an honest and good heart, that they have heard the word and keep it.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
32,092
5,649
113
The Wedding Gift!

This is what the Lord can do, He can transform us from an ugly stump into a beautiful treasure.

 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
32,092
5,649
113
THE REVELATION 12 SIGN, COULD POSSIBLY BE REFERRING TO CERN AND THE DEMON SERPENT, NASA WILL LAUNCH

 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
32,092
5,649
113
More 3 days of darkness information webinar announcement for 4-3-24

 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
32,092
5,649
113
Seeing Inside the 3 Days of Darkness Dream 4-2-24 Shared 4-3-24


Is everyone ready? I have an oil lamp, candles, plenty of water, food, and tarps with Duck tape.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
32,092
5,649
113

It’s not going back to normal after this!
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
32,092
5,649
113
Where in the bible is the 3 days of darkness?

I think we see this when Jesus is crucified and in the grave for three days, when He went and preached the gospel to those in Tartarus, and also in a figure when Jonah was in the fish.

So the point on the cross where Jesus gives up the Spirit, that to me denotes the rapture. The Body of Christ is composed of the Spirit filled Christians and many who are less spirit filled. So after the rapture the rest of the Christians who are left behind go through three days of darkness in the grave where they see demons and fallen angels.

Jesus is the forerunner, the pioneer who paved the way for us, but then we all are on the same path to the cross and will need to follow Him if we are to be saved.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
32,092
5,649
113

More on the 3 days of darkness, Webinar 4/3/2024

Refocus on Jesus Christ.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
32,092
5,649
113
New Info: Trouble Soon but Short Lived 04/05/2024

 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
32,092
5,649
113
REMEMBER Steven Quayle Interview with Henry Gruber?

 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
32,092
5,649
113
GREAT TERROR



Micah 3:5-8 3 Thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that make my people err, that bite with their teeth, and cry, Peace; and he that putteth not into their mouths, they even prepare war against him. 6 Therefore night shall be unto you, that ye shall not have a vision; and it shall be dark unto you, that ye shall not divine; and the sun shall go down over the prophets, and the day shall be dark over them. 7 Then shall the seers be ashamed, and the diviners confounded: yea, they shall all cover their lips; for there is no answer of God. 8 But truly I am full of power by the spirit of the LORD, and of judgment, and of might, to declare unto Jacob his transgression, and to Israel his sin.

My son, VERY SOON THIS NATION WILL BE PLUNGED INTO GREAT DARKNESS. The evil ones have been planning this EVENT for a very long time. They want to rid this nation of all godliness and bring into power an evil, this nation has never known. My children who know Me will be their MAIN TARGET. They have planned SEVERAL EVENTS that will cause GREAT FEAR to run through this nation. My Hand of Judgment has now come down, and GREAT TERROR will fill men's hearts. These events will happen at the SAME TIME across this nation. They will happen very QUICKLY and in SUCCESSION. No one will be ready or braced for these events.

My son, SHOUT REPENT to those in My body who will not have the faith to stand during this time. Many will not understand what is happening - only knowing what they are fed by the lying media. My children have not been taught how to hear My voice nor how to stand in faith in the days to come. I AM RAISING UP MY REMNANT TO SHINE DURING THIS TIME OF GREAT TERROR.

My son, cities will be on fire, and much death will be in the air. The smell of burning flesh will be in everyone's nostrils. The time is now here for the PERSECUTION OF MY CHILDREN - for they will be blamed for the GREAT TERROR. The evil ones will say the destruction is caused by those who call themselves Christian Nationalists, and all Christians will be hunted down and turned in for re-education. My children - Place My Word in your heart - for ALL BIBLES will be outlawed and called terrorist manifestos and will be burned. My son, tell My children to trust in Me and have faith. Even though the times are hard, I will be with them. Tell them I love them and will never leave them - even unto death. BRACE YOURSELVES NOW - MY CHOSEN ONES - FOR YOUR TIME TO WALK AMONG THE FIERY EMBERS IS HERE. Reach My lost children who have been deceived by a man who says I know him. Prepare now for GREAT TERROR comes very quickly and will be very explosive. TERROR comes in a suitcase - and all is ready now. REPENT NOW, turn from your wicked ways. I AM COMING VERY SOON.

Amen. Lord Jesus Christ
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
32,092
5,649
113
The Mystery of Psalm 83 and the End Times | Jonathan Cahn Sermon

 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
32,092
5,649
113
It's ALL Happening on April 8th, The Solar Eclipse Info They're NOT Talking About

 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
32,092
5,649
113
April 8 Eclipse - WARNING! Babylon is Fallen! Sins of America

 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
32,092
5,649
113
April 8 Eclipse - WARNING! Babylon is Fallen! Sins of America

I don't think I have linked to this site prior to this but it is a fresh new voice on the signs of the times.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
32,092
5,649
113
April 8 Eclipse - WARNING! Babylon is Fallen! Sins of America

OK, this is from the seventh day Adventists, those who say that we are supposed to keep the sabbath, so let's address that.

Jesus rose on the 8th day, He rested in the grave for the entire 24 hours of the sabbath day. So as a Christian I see Jesus' death and crucifixion as the fulfillment of the sabbath day rest as mentioned in the book of Hebrews.

All Christians are to be crucified with Christ. When you are truly crucified to self and flesh and sin and the world in Christ and it is no longer you that live but Christ that lives in you, then that is the fulfillment of the sabbath rest. To me that is not the doing away with the law but the fulfillment of the law.

Then like Paul said we are raised in newness of life and are living and walking in the 8th day. This is the day of Jesus. That is what I am celebrating by worshipping the Lord on the 8th day or the first day of the week or "the Lord's day".

We are not under the law. Jesus told us that He was the Lord of the Sabbath. Likewise with circumcision, Paul told us the reality of the circumcision is the cross of Christ circumcising our heart, and Peter told us that we no longer have "unclean animals" anyone that has been cleansed by the redeeming blood of Jesus is clean, hence Jews and Gentiles can be one in Christ.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
32,092
5,649
113
OK, this is from the seventh day Adventists, those who say that we are supposed to keep the sabbath, so let's address that.

Jesus rose on the 8th day, He rested in the grave for the entire 24 hours of the sabbath day. So as a Christian I see Jesus' death and crucifixion as the fulfillment of the sabbath day rest as mentioned in the book of Hebrews.

All Christians are to be crucified with Christ. When you are truly crucified to self and flesh and sin and the world in Christ and it is no longer you that live but Christ that lives in you, then that is the fulfillment of the sabbath rest. To me that is not the doing away with the law but the fulfillment of the law.

Then like Paul said we are raised in newness of life and are living and walking in the 8th day. This is the day of Jesus. That is what I am celebrating by worshipping the Lord on the 8th day or the first day of the week or "the Lord's day".

We are not under the law. Jesus told us that He was the Lord of the Sabbath. Likewise with circumcision, Paul told us the reality of the circumcision is the cross of Christ circumcising our heart, and Peter told us that we no longer have "unclean animals" anyone that has been cleansed by the redeeming blood of Jesus is clean, hence Jews and Gentiles can be one in Christ.
I hope no one gets disturbed by the message in the link I posted that judgement is coming on American for not keeping the 7th day Holy as the Sabbath day based on the ten commandments. This entire message rests on a single point, that the US is the Israel of God.

First of all, if you never sign a contract then you cannot be guilty of breaking the contract. These laws are in the Old Testament, Abraham and Moses signed this covenant with God and it applies to the Jewish people. If you are a Christian then you have signed the NT covenant when you believed that Jesus is Lord, proclaimed that, and were baptized into the triune God. To claim that the US is a Jewish nation is false. The US constitution is based on freedom of religion, so Jews, Muslims, and Christians can all worship in this land without violating the US constitution and therefore the US constitution does not violate the laws of God by denoting one day a national holiday or another day.

So then in our contract with Jesus did we ever have the provision that we must keep the Jewish sabbath? Jesus said

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

This is why I pointed out that the crucifixion of Jesus fulfilled the law concerning circumcision, dietary laws and the keeping of the sabbath. None of these were destroyed, they were fulfilled. This is why we are not under the law, the price has been paid, the requirements have been fulfilled, and now we are free to serve the Lord Jesus in Spirit and truth.

But the underlying point that judgment is coming on the US for breaking the law is true, so then what law could we possibly have broken if the constitution forbids having a national religion? We have broken the law of "do unto others as you would have them do unto you".

Amos goes through our violations so I will post those up here next.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
32,092
5,649
113
Amos -- Prepare to Meet Your God (1)


1 The words of Amos,

Joel means that Jehovah, He is God. That is the point of the festival of Trumpets and that is the point of the book of Joel. Amos means “burden” and it is reasonable for anyone to hear what God is about to do and to then wonder what is the burden, what is the cause for this. It is the burden of sin.

one of the shepherds of Tekoa—

As a school teacher I also feel like a shepherd.

the vision he saw concerning Israel two years before the earthquake, when Uzziah was king of Judah and Jeroboam son of Jehoash[a] was king of Israel.

There is a distinction here between the people of God, some were of Judah and some were of Israel. My understanding of prophecy is similar to the golden ratio. I feel that you can look at a small event and see a big event in that. At the end of the age we know there will be a great earthquake and I am going to look at this prophecy as referring to a period 2 years before that earthquake, “the earthquake”. There are some similarities. Uzziah the king is puffed up with pride, invades the priests office and enters the temple to burn incense. He becomes leprous and it is thought that this event provoked God to bring about this earthquake. Likewise, at the end of the age, in the middle of the last week the son of perdition goes into the temple and sets himself up as god. At this time there is a great earthquake as the sixth seal is opened. So to my understanding Joel presents the beginning of this week mentioned in Daniel, and it begins in typology with the festival of trumpets. This festival takes place about two weeks before the end of the year in the Jewish calendar. After this festival the Israelites were to take stock of the year and consider their sins that they needed to make an account of. This takes place for ten days. That would signify the time it takes for a complete and thorough accounting of our responsibility before God. I believe this is what this two years signifies, the time right up until “the earthquake”, the sixth seal, where we are taking account of our sins prior to the day of atonement. This may seem confusing to those who have not studied end time prophecy, so I’ll briefly explain. I believe the end of the age is 7 years known as the tribulation. The first 3 ½ years are natural events. In the middle of this time we have this supernatural event referred to as “The earthquake” though it includes more than that. The second 3 ½ years is called “the Great Tribulation” and includes supernatural events. The book of Joel describes the start of this 7 year period and likens it to the festival of trumpets. Now we are in Amos and Amos helps us do a thorough accounting before God. We consider our sins, and we consider God’s great works in the past. We also see how God has been warning us but we have not heeded those warnings.

2 He said: “The Lord roars from Zion and thunders from Jerusalem; the pastures of the shepherds dry up, and the top of Carmel withers.”

This is where we left off in Joel:16 “The Lord will roar from Zion and thunder from Jerusalem”. So what is future tense in Joel is now present tense in Amos. Most commentaries focus on the historical and archaeological aspects of this prophecy. I don’t care about that. I want to reflect on our sins that we need to repent of, not what someone 2,000 years ago needed to repent of. This prophecy helps me run down the really big sins that we need be held accountable for.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
32,092
5,649
113
Amos -- Prepare to Meet Your God (2)

3 This is what the Lord says: “For three sins of Damascus, even for four, I will not relent. Because she threshed Gilead with sledges having iron teeth,

It is certain that this is referring to a cruel and barbarous way in which you treat your prisoners of war. In recent times I am aware that many countries are especially cruel with this and operate in a way that would be illegal in the US. Which is why US military intelligence often subcontracts out our interrogation to these countries. In the US we like to think of ourselves as more moral and more humane than these countries which use cruel forms of torture. Of course it was a shock to us to see what was happening at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, and of course what was happening at Guantanamo Bay where we weren’t even observing Habeas Corpus. We were simply tossing them in jail and throwing away the key without so much as giving them a hearing or even admitting they were there.

4 I will send fire on the house of Hazael that will consume the fortresses of Ben-Hadad. 5 I will break down the gate of Damascus; I will destroy the king who is in the Valley of Aven and the one who holds the scepter in Beth Eden. The people of Aram will go into exile to Kir,” says the Lord.

On the one hand if you have supported Amnesty International you should be happy, on the other hand there should be an uneasy feeling that if the Lord is judging these 3rd world nations for this behavior, what happens when He gets to us?

6 This is what the Lord says: “For three sins of Gaza, even for four, I will not relent. Because she took captive whole communities and sold them to Edom, 7 I will send fire on the walls of Gaza that will consume her fortresses. 8 I will destroy the king of Ashdod and the one who holds the scepter in Ashkelon. I will turn my hand against Ekron, till the last of the Philistines are dead,” says the Sovereign Lord.


This sounds like imperialism. I did see something when I was in Taiwan. At the very same time that the cigarette companies were being exposed for having manipulated cigarettes as a drug to make the smokers addicted, at the exact same time that they were being sued and losing one of the largest cases in US history the US government was negotiating with Taiwan. The island of Taiwan needed F16s and AWACs to defend themselves, but as part of the trade the US government required that Taiwan sell American made cigarettes. At the very same time that they were putting laws in place to limit the sale of cigarettes in the US they were requiring smaller countries dependent on us for national security to buy them and sell them to their citizens. The US took captive of whole communities and sold them to the cigarette companies.

9 This is what the Lord says: “For three sins of Tyre, even for four, I will not relent. Because she sold whole communities of captives to Edom, disregarding a treaty of brotherhood, 10 I will send fire on the walls of Tyre that will consume her fortresses.”

It isn’t hard to remember the US breaking treaties to sell entire communities. From 1778 to 1871, the United States government entered into more than 500 treaties with the Native American tribes; all of these treaties have since been violated in some way or outright broken by the US government.

11 This is what the Lord says: “For three sins of Edom, even for four, I will not relent. Because he pursued his brother with a sword and slaughtered the women of the land, because his anger raged continually and his fury flamed unchecked, 12 I will send fire on Teman that will consume the fortresses of Bozrah.”


There are genocides around the world. Rwanda, Pol Pot, Stalin and Mao spring to mind. But what about us? Do we need to list these? Sand Creek massacre, 163 men women and children were massacred by the Colorado militia. They were living in peace at the time. Three knolls massacre in California. Marias massacre in Montana, 173 killed primarily women, children and the elderly. Camp Grant massacre, killed 144 with all but 8 being women or children. Wounded Knee massacre killed around 250 men, women and children. This is but a few.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
32,092
5,649
113
Amos -- Prepare to Meet Your God (3)

13 This is what the Lord says: “For three sins of Ammon, even for four, I will not relent. Because he ripped open the pregnant women of Gilead in order to extend his borders, 14 I will set fire to the walls of Rabbah that will consume her fortresses amid war cries on the day of battle, amid violent winds on a stormy day. 15 Her king will go into exile, he and his officials together,” says the Lord.

It is estimated that the abortion industry brings in $1 billion a year. (https://www.culturallegacy.org/abortion-profit). In Bloodmoney, a documentary on abortion they show how one doctor made over $2 million a year by performing abortions. We know that abortions have targeted minorities and blacks.

2 This is what the Lord says: “For three sins of Moab, even for four, I will not relent. Because he burned to ashes the bones of Edom’s king, 2 I will send fire on Moab that will consume the fortresses of Kerioth. Moab will go down in great tumult amid war cries and the blast of the trumpet. 3 I will destroy her ruler and kill all her officials with him,” says the Lord.

Wow, what a relief! Thank you Jesus! Whenever someone starts enumerating the sins of the US I always dread that they will bring up slavery. Is that fair? First of all not all the states had slavery, and then in the ones that did only 25% of the people had slaves, and then when you are talking about plantation owners with 100 or more slaves it was only about 3%. So is it really fair to go back several hundred years and dig up some cursed plantation owner and say the entire US is cursed because of this guy? Even God, right here in Amos condemns doing that! Of course slavery was cursed, but were these men who were made in the image of God cursed because of the US, or were they cursed by God? Oh yeah, Moab, they were amateurs, they only went back one or two generations to justify themselves, we went back much further than that. We went back to before there even was a New World, before Jesus, hey we even went back before Moses, we went all the way back to Noah. We went back to Noah and dug up Ham, and believe it or not, that is why all these people thousands of years later were cursed! Did we stop there? No, no, no we then brought out our witch doctors with their mumbo jumbo science as a racial justification. Burning bones to ash? That is kid’s stuff. We put those ashes into baby food. By the 1950s you could put two dolls before a young child, one black the other white, and ask which is the pretty one, which is the smart one, which is the good one and they would point to the white doll. Which one looks like you? They would point to the black doll. Which one is ugly and stupid? They would point to the black doll. Do you really think this generation will escape the judgement and wrath of God?