A Question on Anger

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lil_christian

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Condensed version of this is at the end. So if you don't have time to read, just scroll down to the bottom of this post.

Anger is an interesting emotion. It's all throughout the Bible, whether it is the anger of the Lord or the anger of men. Of course, it's never good when either get angry. It's a negative emotion.

Other emotions are pretty clear cut. Most of our other emotions are positive, minus sadness. And when we express those emotions, there isn't really a way to wrongly express them (if there is it's awfully hard to do). Anger, however, seems to be in a class of its own.

Here's the thing. When the Lord is angry, He has a right to. He can only have righteous anger because He is nothing but righteous. Being perfect and having created us, He is very forgiving and slow to anger, according to the Bible. So when He IS angry, He has a right to be, because the very thing He created has outright betrayed Him.

You only really hear of God's anger in the Old Testament, not so much in the NEW. It does reference it from time to time, but you don't hear as much about God acting upon His anger in the New Testament as you do the Old. It's everywhere in the Old. Then again, that was the old covenant. Under the new, while God hasn't changed, have the terms changed? I mean, there is a day predicted where God will have enough and will unleash His anger. Once again, though. It's righteous, because God can't be anything else besides righteous.

When people are angry, I really don't know what to think. Of course, there are good reasons for us to become angry. And it DOESN'T say in the Bible we can't get angry. But when we as humans get angry, it's almost never fruitful. We may or may not do things that make us look like a completely different person.

What do you guys think about people and anger? Can humans have a righteous anger? I don't think being angry in itself is a sin, but I DO think we are in grave danger of doing sinful actions when we are angry. Our brains don't process things like they should when we are angry. We use the emotional part of our brain, not the thinking part. So should we just avoid getting angry? Not saying suppress it, because that is extremely unhealthy, and no one should do that. That's like the soda can or bottle getting shaken aggressively but never is opened. It'll explode off once its had enough. And it's messy. BUT! Maybe we can find ways to channel that anger into something else, something that won't harm ourselves or others?

I found a few verses in the Bible that mention anger (all verses posted are NASB). Well, I found a lot of them, but only will post a few.

James 1:19-20

This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; for the anger of man does not achieve the righteousness of God.

Ephesians 4:26-27

Be angry, and yet do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger, and do not give the devil an opportunity.

Colossians 3:8

But now you also, put them all aside: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and abusive speech from your mouth.

Galatians 5:19-24 (underlining added by me)

Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

And if you want a little science to go with this, there's this link: How Does Anger Happen in the Brain?

CONDENSED VERSION:

Anger is a complex emotion, one that I don't really fully understand. When God gets angry, His is always righteous. But what about people? Are people capable of having righteous anger? When people get angry, it's usually not very righteous.

While anger itself might not actually be a sin, we often do sinful things when we are angry. Should we find a better way to channel our anger instead of simply letting all of hades break loose? Can you give some examples of when it's okay to be angry, when it isn't, and possibly how the bible supports your views on anger?


Hope to hear from all of you! This is a very unique topic, and so I'm eager to see everyone's answers on this.
 
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seoulsearch

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Hi Lil,

I don't know if this will help, but here are some of my thoughts. I have always had issues with anger in my own ways. On the outside, I might be sweet and polite, but inside, I was fuming about several things in my life. And I grew up in a Christian atmosphere that basically said expressing anger, or, THE worst sin of all, being angry with God, were just things you did. not. do. Needless to say, I suppressed A LOT.

One of the most valuable things I was later taught is, "God is big enough to handle your anger." That, and because everyone said God knows everything anyway, I realized, God KNEW when I was angry, which made me feel both terrified and relieved at the same time because I didn't have to hide it. Sometimes, my anger is wrong and due to pride. Sometimes, my anger is due to injustice or unfair pain and suffering. I just realized that no matter what kind of anger I had or how bad it was, I could take it to God.

I always enjoy asking older Christians especially, "Have you ever been angry with God?" because many will hesitate with panicked, terrified look and say No, which is obviously a Yes, But I Sure Hope God Doesn't Know That. How much better would we all be if we all took our anger to God instead of taking it out on other people? I was once in a situation where a young woman had died of natural causes but her extremely religious parents could not accept that--and went on to blame her significant other for murder instead (he was nowhere near the scene when she died.) I always wondered how it would have gone if they could have just said, "God, we are so angry at you for taking our little girl," instead of lashing out at others.

One of the most interesting things in the Bible to me is Job. Who hasn't heard, in the midst of a crisis, "OH, LOOK AT WHAT POOR JOB WENT THROUGH!!" Eventually as I grew up, I did just that--I started reading Job for myself. And I was shocked and amazed at what Job really said to his friends: "You guys are a bunch of idiots and have no idea what I'm going through, so just shut the hee haw up (you miserable group of 'comforters') Why do you sit there and defend God? He's big enough to speak for Himself." Whoa. Now we all know what happens. God shows up and gives Job a heavenly smack down ("Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell me, because surely you are so wise!!"

But in the end, what happens? God tells JOB to pray FOR HIS FRIENDS, the very friends who told him, "Who are YOU to question GOD??" God pretty much tells Job the same thing. But oddly enough, God sees the friends as the ones who have done more wrong than Job.

I'm not sure what other perspectives may be about this, but in my school/church upbringing, they always told us the reason was because Job was honest about his anger. Ever since then, I have always tried my best to bring all my anger to God, no matter how raw it is. I don't always succeed at containing it between Him and I, nor do I always handle it correctly.

But I am thankful to at least know I can take ALL of it to Him without hiding a single thing I'm angry about, even if it's Him.
 

Lynx

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I'm angry at you for starting this thread! :mad:

(I just knew some smart-aleck would say this, so I decided to beat him to it...)
 

lil_christian

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I'm angry at you for starting this thread! :mad:

(I just knew some smart-aleck would say this, so I decided to beat him to it...)
Well, I'm angry at you for being angry at me for being angry that I started this thread! Hmph! :p
 
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I have had to do some bible studies on anger - Chip ingrim's overcoming emotions that destroy was pretty good,

I have had friends break fellowship with me over my anger, only to be restored later after fruits of repentance - praise God

Righteous anger story

Chip says that he was at a laundry mat and watched a woman take her child by the hand, lift him up and then swing him into the side of the washer - said to her lady, I see you put your hand on that child one more time I will knock you out like a man. - that wasn't good but he found out about the huge amount of foster kids in the town, rallied churches to get them adopted and better care, set up a committee in the town. All because of righteous anger
 

seoulsearch

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I'm angry that no one has showed up with cookies...
 

lil_christian

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Hi Lil,

I don't know if this will help, but here are some of my thoughts. I have always had issues with anger in my own ways. On the outside, I might be sweet and polite, but inside, I was fuming about several things in my life. And I grew up in a Christian atmosphere that basically said expressing anger, or, THE worst sin of all, being angry with God, were just things you did. not. do. Needless to say, I suppressed A LOT.

One of the most valuable things I was later taught is, "God is big enough to handle your anger." That, and because everyone said God knows everything anyway, I realized, God KNEW when I was angry, which made me feel both terrified and relieved at the same time because I didn't have to hide it. Sometimes, my anger is wrong and due to pride. Sometimes, my anger is due to injustice or unfair pain and suffering. I just realized that no matter what kind of anger I had or how bad it was, I could take it to God.

I always enjoy asking older Christians especially, "Have you ever been angry with God?" because many will hesitate with panicked, terrified look and say No, which is obviously a Yes, But I Sure Hope God Doesn't Know That. How much better would we all be if we all took our anger to God instead of taking it out on other people? I was once in a situation where a young woman had died of natural causes but her extremely religious parents could not accept that--and went on to blame her significant other for murder instead (he was nowhere near the scene when she died.) I always wondered how it would have gone if they could have just said, "God, we are so angry at you for taking our little girl," instead of lashing out at others.

One of the most interesting things in the Bible to me is Job. Who hasn't heard, in the midst of a crisis, "OH, LOOK AT WHAT POOR JOB WENT THROUGH!!" Eventually as I grew up, I did just that--I started reading Job for myself. And I was shocked and amazed at what Job really said to his friends: "You guys are a bunch of idiots and have no idea what I'm going through, so just shut the hee haw up (you miserable group of 'comforters') Why do you sit there and defend God? He's big enough to speak for Himself." Whoa. Now we all know what happens. God shows up and gives Job a heavenly smack down ("Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell me, because surely you are so wise!!"

But in the end, what happens? God tells JOB to pray FOR HIS FRIENDS, the very friends who told him, "Who are YOU to question GOD??" God pretty much tells Job the same thing. But oddly enough, God sees the friends as the ones who have done more wrong than Job.

I'm not sure what other perspectives may be about this, but in my school/church upbringing, they always told us the reason was because Job was honest about his anger. Ever since then, I have always tried my best to bring all my anger to God, no matter how raw it is. I don't always succeed at containing it between Him and I, nor do I always handle it correctly.

But I am thankful to at least know I can take ALL of it to Him without hiding a single thing I'm angry about, even if it's Him.
This is actually a pretty insightful post, seoul! :) While I have changed a lot and try not to yell at other people when I'm angry (it doesn't happen a whole lot anymore. Kind of rare), when I do get angry, I should try to practice taking it to prayer FIRST. Well, I should practice taking all things to prayer, but once again, with anger being so tricky, it might be good to ask Him to help me do that.
 

Lynx

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Okay, a serious answer now. (Yes, I can do serious sometimes.)

I cannot speak for others. I can only speak for myself. And for myself, I have found that usually my anger stems from misunderstanding. See, most people don't do things to cause me to be angry, just because they want to make me angry. People are by and large more intelligent than that, and the things they do are usually done because they think they are doing what is best for them. Those who are selfish are so because they believe that is what will profit them most. Those who are rude are selfish in another way, and they are thus because they believe they matter more than others. I will not list all the other things that could make me angry, but those two are good examples.

I could (and often do) get angry at such things. But when I get over the anger and view it objectively, my anger turns to pity. Those who would cause anger do so because they have a very restricted or skewed view of what is good and what is bad for them to do. Ultimately they will either have to change their world views or cause themselves a lot of trouble, much more than they ever caused me.

The best way to restore my objectivity is of course to take it to God and get His perspective. But I find that sometimes I don't want to take it to God, because... well... sometimes I JUST WANT TO BE MAD FOR A WHILE!
 

Lynx

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On a side note, when I'm angry and for some reason I just want to be mad for a while, I usually yell at the person in my head for some time. Bad for my blood pressure, but better than yelling at the person with my voice. After a while I get over it and restore my perspective.
 

Oncefallen

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Most therapists will tell you that anger is a secondary emotion that many people default to rather than to engage the primary emotion. The counselor that I saw years ago used to hand out a list of "feeling words" and routinely when someone said they were angry about something he would refer them to the list and ask why they were angry as in what were the underlying feelings, not what someone did.

For a lot of people feeling the rage of anger is by far less painful that feeling the pain of feeling rejected, the insecurity of feeling out of control of their lives, or whatever other primary emotion is at the root of their anger. If people would be more willing to own and feel their primary emotions anger would become much less of a problem.


 

lil_christian

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Yeah, everyone is different. :) When I'm angry, I like to just write/type about it. Maybe even go into a word processor and be like, I AM SO MAD RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF BLAH BLAH BLAH AND THIS AND THAT! GRR!! Then I might take a nap, do something to get my mind off of it, and then I'm good. lol But I think I'll also add praying to God and telling Him why I'm mad to it.

I think that goes pretty well with the be angry, but don't sin. :)
 

Mo0448

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On a side note, when I'm angry and for some reason I just want to be mad for a while, I usually yell at the person in my head for some time. Bad for my blood pressure, but better than yelling at the person with my voice. After a while I get over it and restore my perspective.
I do that too Lynx it just calms me down it's like I'm yelling at them but I'm not...but I really am :)
 

lil_christian

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Most therapists will tell you that anger is a secondary emotion that many people default to rather than to engage the primary emotion. The counselor that I saw years ago used to hand out a list of "feeling words" and routinely when someone said they were angry about something he would refer them to the list and ask why they were angry as in what were the underlying feelings, not what someone did.

For a lot of people feeling the rage of anger is by far less painful that feeling the pain of feeling rejected, the insecurity of feeling out of control of their lives, or whatever other primary emotion is at the root of their anger. If people would be more willing to own and feel their primary emotions anger would become much less of a problem.


This was actually really neat to read. I almost wish I had that list just to see what sort of feelings were on it!
 

seoulsearch

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Is "Chicken Little" on that list of feelings?

(You know, "The Sky Is Falling"...)
 

Oncefallen

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This was actually really neat to read. I almost wish I had that list just to see what sort of feelings were on it!
This wasn't the list he used, but it's probably more inclusive. I think he used a shorter list because so many men he dealt with were so out of touch with their feelings that giving too long of a list would probably confuse the dickens out of them.

feelings_large.jpg
 

seoulsearch

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I like how "sexy" is across from "neglected"...
 
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2 things from Torah: (Scripture): (God's Word): (God's Way/Instruction):

.....be constantly angry with righteous indignation, but don't sin, and don't let the sun go down on your anger.....
(don't worry you're not familiar with this. no chruch teaches it pure, and only maybe 1 in 200k lives it abiding in Messiah Yeshua with His Word abiding in them; Yhvh knows.... )


..... do not even associated with a man who has a bad temper >>>

Proverbs 22:24 Do not make friends with a hot-tempered person, do ...

biblehub.com/proverbs/22-24.htm

Do not associate with a man given to anger; Or go with a hot-tempered man, King
James Bible Make no friendship with an angry man; and with a furious man ...
 

Pipp

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The Bible says for you to "be ye angry and sin not , neither give place to the devil.."
So yes you can be angry without it being sin. Its how you act on those feelings of anger that determine if its sinful or not.
 

Pipp

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Sorry... I just saw that you posted it already :p