Opening Daniel's timeline

Israel came through Isaac, not Ishmael. Some promises are for this world, and some are eternal.
Making Ishmael a promise is evidence that God gives grace and mercy to all. It also was a grace to Abraham, who loved Ishmael and desired good for him.
But mostly, it served God's purposes to test Israel and deliver His people.

I'm trying to narrow your focus.
Have you read Proverbs? God juxtaposes things to highlight differences. A popular theme is the wise verses the foolish.
In the same way, God uses people in biblical stories to juxtapose the spiritual from the natural man. This is what God is highlighting in Isaac and Ishmael.

I'm trying to narrow your focus.
Have you read Proverbs? God juxtaposes things to highlight differences. A popular theme is the wise verses the foolish.
In the same way, God uses people in biblical stories to juxtapose the spiritual from the natural man. This is what God is highlighting in Isaac and Ishmael.

I'm trying to narrow your focus.
Have you read Proverbs? God juxtaposes things to highlight differences. A popular theme is the wise verses the foolish.
In the same way, God uses people in biblical stories to juxtapose the spiritual from the natural man. This is what God is highlighting in Isaac and Ishmael.

I think you have read out of the king James version but haven't fully grasped quite a few verses. If you had you would have not added your insertion on discrimination towards Ishmael, what part of scripture about Ishmael says because his mother was a bond woman as you put it, the nation that arises from him will be Islam.

Your quote is far worse than any Islamist I've ever talked too.

Is this all of the Isreal family view point.

Do you speak for the entire Isreal family here ?.

Forgive me, I was an Arts major, and my math needs help...
But wouldn't 490 years after a 456BC starting point be 34AD?

are you favoring the promise given to isic more than Ishmeal because you believe the birth was a super natural birth Sarah had

There's no evidence the birth was on the same grounds as Jesus, I sense it was a natural birth not super natural.

No, it's 483 years after 456, seven years remain. = 27 A.D., the year Jesus was baptized by John.

Sarah's womb was dead. She was 90. It wasn't humanly possible for her to bear a child. It was a supernatural birth.
And I'm trying to point out a pattern for you in scripture. History is under divine control. It is following a divine plan and timetable. And the central figure in history is Jesus. The Bible, therefore, is about Christ, and everything written relates to Him in some way.
In Genesis 3, God makes a promise of a future seed. Every OT story relates some aspect of this. The history of Abraham and his progeny are a part of this. The different circumstances of the lives of Isaac and Ishmael teach much about this. That's what I have been trying to show you.

Joking aside now dont you find it funny that the Midianites, who where known as the true Ishmaelites, where the ones who rescued Joseph and took him to Egypt after his brother's sold him ?.

So there we have Ishmeal sent on his way by a jealous Sarah stealing Ishmeal of his birth right. Don't forget it's was Sarah's idea in the first place to let hagar have a son to Abraham

Then we have Esau and Jacob born to Sarah son isac stealing each others birth right

Then we find Joseph the son of Jacob
Was rescued by a the descendants of Ishmeal 🤔

Then the Jewish midianites where destroyed in battle by Isreal , wonder if they should have been. But maybe they where never completely destroyed.

So there you have the answer which seems to be the more inherent with the word of God. That the great nation was the midianites whom God used to rescue Joseph from all his brothers .

All his brothers as you know would go to be the the twelve tribes of Isreal.

But many where not walking in true faith.



Seems the midianites where tho 😊

when you say supernatural are you saying the father was not truly abraham 🤔

Those stories all deal with the sovereignty of God in the choices He makes. Who causes one to differ from another? Did God not declare that the elder shall serve the younger? Wasn't David the least in his father's house? Wasn't Joseph bowed to by his brethren? Wasn't Jesus God's choice to be the author of salvation?
All God's choices.

I thought you may have seen a pattern emerging of God using Ishmaels descendants to rescue people. In situations where where honour was being neglected.



All I can say is it's a good job I know my history I could have been labeled as Muslim again 😁

No. It means what was impossible by human means was enabled by God. The laws of nature were superceded, as with any miracle.

It's a very telling statement that God is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and not Abraham, Ishmael, and Esau. Why do you suppose that is?

I wonder if you see the promise of God using Ishmaels descendants to avenge the Dishonored
you do know that God was with Ishmeal as he grew up I take it

God was with the boy as he grew up. He lived in the desert and became an archer.

God preserved his life.
I'm not sure you understand the big picture. If Ishmael was the line through which God was going to accomplish His purposes, the history recorded in the Bible would reflect this. Instead, he is juxtaposed with Isaac deliberately by God to reveal the difference between the line of promise and what is characteristic of the 2 lines of humanity...spiritual verses natural.
A good example of this was just mentioned by @ZNP. Ishmael was born of a bondwoman. He is not an heir.

your reasoning your own assertions with how I must be seeing things, if you can't see that God being with a boy as he grows up as more than just preserving his life, then I am done with this.

Where talking about the father being close to boy on a Daily basis here, not just some preserved boy.

You total twit

Sorry you feel that way. Grace and peace.

I wonder if you see the promise of God using Ishmaels descendants to avenge the Dishonored
you do know that God was with Ishmeal as he grew up I take it

God was with the boy as he grew up. He lived in the desert and became an archer.

Sorry you feel that way. Grace and peace.