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I think it changes them from being someone incapable of belief into one who inevitably will.

Sure. But if you go back to the original verse you shared, that particular sealing was experiential. So I would say they were baptized into the body of Christ, but not baptized with the Holy Spirit.

No. I believe the circumcision precedes belief. I merely believe it is relatively close in time.

Not necessarily. Belief must occur before the sign, but the sign isn't required to be present. That's why I gave the example in Acts 19. I believe many Christians live and die being saved but never sealed.

If it were as simple as you say, there would be no forums. There are many factors at work. For example, Psalm 37: says that if we will delight ourselves in the Lord, He will give us the desires of our hearts. What it means is that God will actually place within our hearts His desires. Some...

I see. I think the circumcision of the heart is what is spoken of in Ezekiel 36:26 and is performed by the Holy Spirit as a part of the inner working of God in salvation. I personally attach it to salvation in time, so I believe it is being born from above.

I just realized your point. Just because it occurred simultaneously to salvation doesn't mean it must occur simultaneously to salvation in every case. In Acts Paul runs across some who were believers but who had not heard of the Holy Spirit. So he laid hands on them and they spoke in tongues. In...

No problem. I'm trying to explain what a seal is and does. A seal doesn't save. That's why it doesn't occur until one believes. But once one believes, it is given so that the believer has their faith confirmed to them. When Peter went to the house of Cornelius, he saw the Holy Spirit descend...

Yes or no will suffice.

Yes the seal is real and experiential, but a seal doesn't perform salvation; it authenticates it.

The seal is given to the believer at salvation. But the work of salvation occurred previously and is being made known to the individual. In other words, the work the Spirit has done inwardly is made known outwardly. Think about when you see a rainbow. It is a sign that God will not destroy the...

You can't have a seal of something until the reality of what is being sealed has occurred. The seal isn't the reality. It evidences the reality.

It was just a joke. It's ok to laugh once in awhile.

The promise of the Spirit is what was prophesied by Joel, what Jesus told the disciples to wait for in Jerusalem, and what occurred on the day of Pentecost. To a lesser extent you see it occurring throughout the book of Acts, and is still possible today. This is the seal being spoken of. It's...

He has the editors uncut edition.

What is the scripture that you are referring to concerning sealing? I ask because often the scripture describes matters from our perspective and sometimes from God's perspective. When the Spirit indwells a person, they have life. But like natural life, the moment of conception is generally...

No I'm not. I was merely simplify. How could you possibly know what I was and was not realizing in that moment?

It is up to the farmer what he does with his livestock. In your wallet you have money? Who chooses which dollars you save and which you spend? Do you give each dollar a chance to be saved?

You are the one you are waiting for.

A new creation is full of life and will respond to God. But any response on our part doesn't add to salvation, but evidences it's reality. And why wouldn't it? Where life is present, it grows. It's no different with spiritual life. I think people overcomplicate salvation. I was blind, but now...